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Changes since congestion pricing started in New York

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Re: Changes since congestion pricing started in New York

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Post by scuol »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #173
epistasis wrote: post #137

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As someone with children, I can not imagine the bliss of living in Manhattan and being able to do things without needing a car. Car-centric urban planning is hell with kids. You have to load them up into the car for any small trip. You can't walk or bike anywhere because cars make it so dangerous. My only regret about living in the US is this car hellscape that is so hard to avoid. It's mandated by law, not chosen by…

You can live in an urban neighborhood and only use your car a few times a week (mostly on weekends and for yearly kid doctor visits). Its not just Manhattan, Seattle supports this as well (well, you still "need" a car, but you can get away with not driving it very often). You need to be strategic about where you live (e.g. buying the house 7 minutes away from your kid's K-8 and 10 minutes away from his future 9-12, w…

s/strategic/wealthy/

I agree there are places in Seattle one can do this, but boy one certainly needs the paper to do this.

Re: Changes since congestion pricing started in New York

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Post by gertlex »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #173
epistasis wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone with children, I can not imagine the bliss of living in Manhattan and being able to do things without needing a car. Car-centric urban planning is hell with kids. You have to load them up into the car for any small trip. You can't walk or bike anywhere because cars make it so dangerous. My only regret about living in the US is this car hellscape that is so hard to avoid. It's mandated by law, not chosen by…

You can live in an urban neighborhood and only use your car a few times a week (mostly on weekends and for yearly kid doctor visits). Its not just Manhattan, Seattle supports this as well (well, you still "need" a car, but you can get away with not driving it very often). You need to be strategic about where you live (e.g. buying the house 7 minutes away from your kid's K-8 and 10 minutes away from his future 9-12, w…

> You need to be strategic about where you live (e.g. buying the house ...

I wonder what % (presumably low) of the population can live in SFHs and achieve this cities like Seattle.

I should try finding if there's available work that's made visualizations of this sort of things ("How many homes could be within X miles or minutes of A B and C" for SFH, Quadplex, 5-over-1s etc.)

Re: Changes since congestion pricing started in New York

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Post by echelon »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #173
epistasis wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone with children, I can not imagine the bliss of living in Manhattan and being able to do things without needing a car. Car-centric urban planning is hell with kids. You have to load them up into the car for any small trip. You can't walk or bike anywhere because cars make it so dangerous. My only regret about living in the US is this car hellscape that is so hard to avoid. It's mandated by law, not chosen by…

You can live in an urban neighborhood and only use your car a few times a week (mostly on weekends and for yearly kid doctor visits). Its not just Manhattan, Seattle supports this as well (well, you still "need" a car, but you can get away with not driving it very often). You need to be strategic about where you live (e.g. buying the house 7 minutes away from your kid's K-8 and 10 minutes away from his future 9-12, w…

Self-driving cars are going to turn America's car-centric "hellscape" into a superpower with untold second order benefits.

Everything will be connected and commutable, especially the suburbs. Automated, on-demand delivery will become a part of everyday life.

Instead of busses and semis, we'll have small pods for smaller cargo and small parties. Highways will turn into logistics corridors, and we'll route people and goods seamlessly.

All the clamor for trains and rail will go away when our roads become an even superior version of that. Private commuting to any destination, large homes with lots of land, same day delivery of everything.

Re: Changes since congestion pricing started in New York

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

philipallstar wrote: post #9

The increased speeds are excellent for those who can afford the toll. This is a universal benefit of toll roads for those people.

Yes, this is absolutely more than vindication. If you pay a toll and then become stuck in traffic on that toll road, you are a victim of highway robbery. The fact that NYC traffic is flowing fulfills our simple toll contract and makes everyone whole.

Re: Changes since congestion pricing started in New York

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Post by nradov »

david-gpu wrote: post #194
grugagag wrote: post #159

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Having a dinky appartment that is still expensive is not worth it unless you’re young and don’t have kids and want to be around everything you care about. Or you’re rich and don’t mind paying a fortune to live in a nicer appartment in Manhattan. If I had the money I would still prefer something outside Manhattan just to be able to avoid the noise pollution, the crowds and all that Manhattan commotion.

I hear that noise pollution in Manhattan has gotten better since congestion pricing started. Cities aren't loud; cars are loud.

Cars aren't nearly as loud as sirens and garbage trucks. Whenever I stay in a dense city those tend to keep me up at night.

Re: Changes since congestion pricing started in New York

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Post by dogsgobork »

SecretDreams wrote: post #196
david-gpu wrote: post #194

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I hear that noise pollution in Manhattan has gotten better since congestion pricing started. Cities aren't loud; cars are loud.

> Cities aren't loud; cars are loud. EVs have entered the chat Still, I'd always prefer less cars and more transit.

I first heard the phrase used by parent in a video [1] by youtube channel Not Just Bikes, which found EVs to be similar to ICE cars at typical speeds.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTV-wwszGw8

Re: Changes since congestion pricing started in New York

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Post by parpfish »

danbmil99 wrote: post #202
epistasis wrote: post #137

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As someone with children, I can not imagine the bliss of living in Manhattan and being able to do things without needing a car. Car-centric urban planning is hell with kids. You have to load them up into the car for any small trip. You can't walk or bike anywhere because cars make it so dangerous. My only regret about living in the US is this car hellscape that is so hard to avoid. It's mandated by law, not chosen by…

One word: baby carriages up and down stairs

That’s six words

Re: Changes since congestion pricing started in New York

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Post by bongodongobob »

jasonfarnon wrote: post #171
woodruffw wrote: post #109

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These would be examples of normalization, not a slippery slope. The OP's example makes this clear (from "congestion pricing in NYC" to "they're going to take my car," not "congestion pricing in NYC" to "congestion pricing elsewhere"). (Regardless, I think the answer is simple: congestion pricing is only economically viable when an area is simultaneously congested and has alternative transportation methods that would…

"normalization, not a slippery slope" Sounds like an arbitrary distinction, but in any event, it was the OP who used "slippery slope" to refer to going from "congestion pricing in NYC" to "they're going to take my car."

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Re: Changes since congestion pricing started in New York

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Post by lillecarl »

andrepd wrote: post #149
potato3732842 wrote: post #141

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I'm fundamentally against any measure that intentionally increases the cost at use of any form of transportation service whatsoever. Public transit? Free. Gas tax? Kill it. I grew up on a goddamn island, I've seen what an inability for people to travel easily or when the cost of doing so has to be seriously weighed does to an economy and it's not good for anyone or anything except a very select lucky few who are well…

Excessive car use lowers mobility for EVERYONE. Restrictions to car use, lower speeds via traffic calming, removing car lanes and adding bike and bus lanes, all of this IMPROVES transportation times including for cars !

Yep, except for public holidays where I'm going by car I never spend time in traffic. In my small city I can e-bike everywhere on almost entirely separated bike paths and if the weather isn't good I can take the bus or subway. If all else fails there's still Uber and Bolt

Re: Changes since congestion pricing started in New York

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Post by maerF0x0 »

jannyfer wrote: post #52
diogocp wrote: post #32

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> $45M per year Well, in a hundred years they should be able to afford a couple of new subway stations. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/nyregion/new-york-subway-...

Maybe 10 years, because $45M is per month.

yes my bad, I misread/mistook the period.
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