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Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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Re: Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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The fraud perpetrated by an individual which misled the field as whole is not the same as 'fraud in government funding'. Again, scientists are human and will do things for personal gain. There are mechanisms being implemented in science funding that are meant to try and curb this behavior. NIH intramural research now require the use of electronic lab notebooks, which greatly reduce the ability to doctor data post-exp…

> Again, scientists are human and will do things for personal gain. Which was my original point. > But saying that all funding towards a scientific dead-end due to misdirection by individual researchers is proof of fraud in government funding doesn't compute. Who said this?

> Why do think so much fraud has been uncovered lately?

> Please provide evidence of fraud in government funding.

> Are you serious? Just go look at the recent Alzheimer's research scandal. It's the tip of the iceberg.

> But saying that all funding towards a scientific dead-end due to misdirection by individual researchers is proof of fraud in government funding doesn't compute.

> Who said this?

That was how I interpreted you bringing up the Alzheimer's scandal. When you say "why do you think so much fraud has been uncovered recently?" and mention the Alzheimer's scandal, I feel you portray it as an overwhelming or systematic issue with government funded research.

The process of getting funding for science from a government agency is tedious and painful. There are many eyes that review each grant application. It takes months/years, there are usually reviews to make sure that research is on track and aligns with the original proposal... So when you say that the Alzheimer's scandal is the tip of the iceberg, it implies systematic and widespread fraud in science funding rather than individual instances of fraud and misconduct.

Re: Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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Here is an incomplete list of things that it's impossible to research in industry: 1. Astronomy. 2. Physics. 3. Geophysics concerning the parts of the Earth deeper than the crust. 4. Biology aside from medicine. 5. Chemistry aside from industrial chemistry. 6. Theoretical computer science. 7. Mathematics. I'm not blaming you for not knowing this, but I am holding my head in my hands - how can people not know about as…

Apple definitely had an internal group doing mathematics research, which i know first hand. But yes there are, to your point, topics in science probably only done in academia etc, but, to my point, several are seriously funded in industry.

I couldn't say more without knowing the details, but industrial labs don't usually research mathematics, so much as ways to apply mathematics to their industry. These are called "mathematics research departments," because they hire mathematicians.

Re: Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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Not doing basic research, and your research is entirely driven by short-term profit motives rather than long term benefit of humanity.

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> so much fraud has been uncovered lately

which fraud? please elaborate

Re: Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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It's not a clusterfuck. The librarian of congress move was a deliberate hostile attempt attempt by the executive to take control over the legislative branch. Just like AFL vs John Roberts is a hostile attempt to take over the judicial. It's an concerted attempted authoritarian takeover through bureaucratic methods. When they exhaust this, you'll see them frustrated and declare states of emergencies. The founders wrot…

thanks for the pointer. I looked up AFL vs John Roberts, and the lawsuit seems straightforward and has a reasonable basis. https://reason.com/volokh/2025/05/04/america-first-legal-fou... "The suit was prompted by the refusal of the Judicial Conference and Administrative Office to respond to AFLF's FOIA requests for copies of communication with the offices of Senator Sheldon Whitehouse and Representative Hank Johnson,…

Someone with a hacker mindset and domain knowledge might want to understand the subtext of the case, which is more important.

I don't think I'll convince you otherwise, but those interested can read this counterpoint to the Reason link with more background and detail: https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/trump-ally-steph...

Re: Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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As a federal contractor within NIH, I can tell you that the damage has already been done to the United States' dominance in science. Even if every action taken by current administration is reversed, the uncertainty for foreign scientists is too much. Many that I have spoken to are looking for their exit from either gov or academic research, or looking to leave the United States completely. The Trump admins cuts are n…

I hate to be a contrarian right now, and it’s hard to disagree that an entire generation of science progress will be severely slowed because of this incompetence. However, deep scientific cultural do roots exist here and won’t be stamped out by some fearmongering. The entire western world is under populist pressure right now, not just here. So even if you imagine someone moving out and studying in a different country…

> even if you imagine someone moving out and studying in a different country

the problem is not students moving and studying elsewhere, it's PIs accepting a position to run a lab at an institution in another country that will fund their research; and many will definitely accept that given the prospects in the US for the next ?? years.

Re: Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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It won't be a coup if they abide by the results of the 2026 election. Last time an election didn't go their way, they did not abide by the results.

What are you saying? It's all a big nothing burger until 2026? And then maybe it's still nothing?

Nope. That's not at all what I'm saying.

It's just not officially a coup until they refuse to cede power. We know they are very capable of it (already tried it once). In the meantime they are sowing chaos and destroying institutions.

Re: Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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Honestly way more with just being the one super power standing after the war. We were basically untouched, even accounting for dead and wounded we only lost ~1 million people and practically zero manufacturing infrastructure so we came out of the war roaring and flush with cash. That catapulted the US to where it has been for the whole of the time since but a lot of people seem to have believed we were owed that or e…

We were, it’s just that this special property was owning our own private continent.

Australia tried that, too, but their continent is really problematic.

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2024/06/28 DOGE got ahold of Obama's time machine? What people expect is a connection between the claims of fraud and the massive cuts, funding pauses (which effectively destroy some research, wasting any money already spent), and disruptive reorganizations. The claim is that DOGE is uncovering so very much fraud all over the place, that you practically can't enter a government office without tripping over fraud. Whe…

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[EDIT: The way I wrote this was mean, and why be mean? Rephrasing to be less mean: I reviewed the thread and found your claim to be inaccurate]

Yeah, that's enough of this for one day.

Re: Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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>The courts have been captured and politicized heavily This isn't a real thing. They're not captured, people are just on them that you don't like and they're ruling against your values. >Congress has a bare majority for republicans So the majority is governing?

So, emoluments violations, bribery, and perjury should be legal? I wasn't calling out party political disputes. I was calling out taking massive bribes, violating the emoluments clause, and perjury. Your politics are showing. I prefer rule of law, not of kakistocrat.

There is no arguing with these people they don't have objectivity or critical thinking.they will just take this as a personal attack and dig in more. The only thing left is to prepare for the violent insurrection (which you don't condone) and maybe pray for the pendulum to swing the other way and we can have a parallel to McCarthyism purging the unamerican magats from our midst.

Re: Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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post #26

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shFUDPqVmTg Sabine highlights the problem with scientific funding in this video and it should be required watching before posting on this thread. Reform is needed. Some good will be tossed with a lot of bad. Its a cycle, a pendulum, and it will eventually tip to excess again sometime in the future. For now... fixing what is broken ought to be the priority.

Counterpoint, please consider watching Professor Dave discuss the issues with Sabine's talking points. While there are certainly problems within science, Sabine has the most nihilistic view of the field. https://youtu.be/nJjPH3TQif0

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