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Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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Re: Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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Post by robinsoncrusue »

Onawa wrote: post #25

As a federal contractor within NIH, I can tell you that the damage has already been done to the United States' dominance in science. Even if every action taken by current administration is reversed, the uncertainty for foreign scientists is too much. Many that I have spoken to are looking for their exit from either gov or academic research, or looking to leave the United States completely. The Trump admins cuts are n…

> the damage has already been done to the United States' dominance in science

Why should my tax dollar subsidize for the dominance of US in science? How has US dominance in science helped the average American taxpayer in last decade other than funneling billions to arms or pharma industry or funding academians being out of touch with the rest of the country?

Re: Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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Post by libraryatnight »

aaronbaugher wrote: post #48
glitchc wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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That's because the gloom and doom isn't about science itself. It's about funding no longer being taken from taxpayers and transferred to groups and organizations that are supported by those spreading the doom and gloom.

There are people in my life alive literally because of government funded research. It's about the science. It's about the scientists themselves and their livelihoods. It's about the people their research helps.

Re: Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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Post by fads_go »

mistrial9 wrote: post #5
vessenes wrote: post #3

Good read; too long to sway public opinion though. The most convincing and interesting thing I’ve read about the US’s science standing is just a reminder that it wasn’t always considered a global science leader. A few people saw the opportunity created by Nazi ideological purges of scientists and built, among other things, Princeton’s IAS. Considered most charitably, the current administration sees itself as trying t…

respectfully disagree on several points.. if "public opinion" is only legitimate in 240 characters or less, then you have doomed yourself. secondly, sitting in California, this repeated cool-kid refs to Nazis is just more knee-jerk polarization. Serious topics are at hand. Excess and overly-optimistic polarizing rhetoric with smug bank accounts are a root cause of this recent extreme swing in Federal powers. IMHO

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Re: Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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Post by Xplan »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #54
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #52

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"It's not a clustefuck" ... proceeds to describe a clusterfuck ... What was your intention here?

A clusterfuck describes chaos and disorganization. This is just a deliberate attack, it is being executed well. It is just malicious.

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Re: Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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Post by itsoktocry »

Onawa wrote: post #25

As a federal contractor within NIH, I can tell you that the damage has already been done to the United States' dominance in science. Even if every action taken by current administration is reversed, the uncertainty for foreign scientists is too much. Many that I have spoken to are looking for their exit from either gov or academic research, or looking to leave the United States completely. The Trump admins cuts are n…

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Re: Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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Post by User23 »

Scientists commit to politics. Election happens. Election has consequences. Shocker. To be fair conservatives warned about this for decades but nobody listened.

The only possible response to this propaganda piece are nodding along religiously or revulsion and disgust at the sheer intellectual dishonesty of it.

This kind of superficial performative nonsense is a big part of why the replication crisis is as bad as it is. And few scientists are willing to speak of that. I’d love to hear from the scientists whose careers were damaged or destroyed by this person. But I doubt I ever will.

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Post by jjtheblunt »

searine wrote: post #47
glitchc wrote: post #30

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>All it will do is take government out of the equation. The middle-class professional scientist is an invention of post-war governments to create an engine of progress. Pre-war science was a gentleman's hobby, funded by the bored rich. Corporations largely do not perform any basic science and simply reap ideas sown by academics and bring those ideas to market. Without government funding of basic science the engine of…

> Corporations largely do not perform any basic science and simply reap ideas sown by academics and bring those ideas to market. Without government funding of basic science the engine of progress stops. No new discoveries or new scientists, at least not in the US.

Does Google Brain and their paper that birthed all these LLMs fit this description?

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Post by amendegree »

malcolmgreaves wrote: post #61
nailer wrote: post #37

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I’m not sure why this is being voted down. The NSF did actively pursue DEI and the US government is obligated not to fund organizations that discriminate based on race.

DEI is not illegal racial discrimination. It's literally the solution to centuries of racial discrimination.

More racism isn’t the solution to racism. Try again

Re: Why I'm resigning from the National Science Foundation

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Post by libraryatnight »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #59
Onawa wrote: post #25

As a federal contractor within NIH, I can tell you that the damage has already been done to the United States' dominance in science. Even if every action taken by current administration is reversed, the uncertainty for foreign scientists is too much. Many that I have spoken to are looking for their exit from either gov or academic research, or looking to leave the United States completely. The Trump admins cuts are n…

You didn't say what's wrong with ending up in industry, but mention it like it's bad?

Do you work in industry? I do and the notion that all or most science will be coming from MBA driven decision making makes me want to throw up. Industry does the wrong thing for a higher return on a regular basis. That's not what I want driving science.
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