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Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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I have heard CarPlay royalty is quite big - has anyone some numbers? Edit: maybe my information was old - some sources say it costs nothing

Wait till you see how much it costs (in sales) to NOT have it. Eg: I won’t buy a car without it.

I'm not sure why you have the downvotes. Even it's mostly just about GPS, the built-in screen is better than iPhone on a somewhat dodgy clip attached to a vent someplace. Unless the car were otherwise compelling--and it's a pretty competitive market--not sure I'd buy a car without CarPlay.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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So I have serious thoughts about driving “software defined vehicles” in the future. I mean, and the article has confirmed this sufficiently, the core competence of the established car manufacturers is not software. I don't trust the newcomers like Tesla or the Chinese manufacturers for the time being. In my opinion, the same standards should apply to software in motor vehicles as in the aviation industry. And there c…

BMW i3 is great for city/town if you’re OK with electric. Not 4x4, but minimal “assist”, just traction control. Internet remote stuff is optional but nice. In the fully autonomous future the car I want to own and drive will still be my 6MT 911! :-) If I want to be driven, I’ll just book a waymo.

>If I want to be driven, I’ll just book a waymo.

So move to one of the 2 or 3 cities in the US that have Waymo?

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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So I have serious thoughts about driving “software defined vehicles” in the future. I mean, and the article has confirmed this sufficiently, the core competence of the established car manufacturers is not software. I don't trust the newcomers like Tesla or the Chinese manufacturers for the time being. In my opinion, the same standards should apply to software in motor vehicles as in the aviation industry. And there c…

By aviation standards, wed be stuck with 1950s tech. Even for aviation, aviation standards hold saftey back

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Yeah all I want is something that holds the phone and gives it a USB-C port that charges it, lets me play media through it, and lets buttons on the wheel control the phone (volume, next/previous, and programmable go forward/back x seconds buttons). USB-C is so powerful, it can do everything Bluetooth does while charging, but for some reason that's just not an option in a lot of cars? Make it make sense.

It's the latency that kills me. Let alone the stupid "you're an idiot if you let this screen distract and kill you" message that pops up, it seems to take a good 10+ seconds to sync with the phone and "come alive". This is with USB, too. I want the car to start and CarPlay to be operational; we have no time to be wasting on whatever formalities software wants to have. Maybe someday wireless CarPlay could start syncin…

But some do, don't they? It seems to me that Hyundai will initiate the phone connection right when you open the driver's door. Then, as you sit down and start the car, the infotainment has already booted up and the phone connection comes online almost immediately.

Also, during short stops, the screens go black but the connection is kept up, so when you re-start, there is no delay.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Just buy a car from the people, who dedicate their career/lives to making cars and have done so for decades. You aren't smarter then them. Your "serious thoughts" and "opinion" about what standards should apply are not yours to worry about.

> Just buy a car from the people, who dedicate their career/lives to making cars and have done so for decades. You aren't smarter then them. Is this then logic that gets airlines to buy from The Boeing "Are door plugs supposed to stay in?" Company?

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Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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So I have serious thoughts about driving “software defined vehicles” in the future. I mean, and the article has confirmed this sufficiently, the core competence of the established car manufacturers is not software. I don't trust the newcomers like Tesla or the Chinese manufacturers for the time being. In my opinion, the same standards should apply to software in motor vehicles as in the aviation industry. And there c…

There are safety standards for automobile software: ISO 26262. Software for steering or braking systems is of high quality. It's not the same team that does the infotainment.

How do you square this with the article?

It states that consumer reports, (a for profit company providing independent reviews, and not a regulatory body) said the Model 3 stopping distance was not good. Allegedly due to a “bad ABS calibration”. Tesla released an OTA SW update.

Why wasn’t the bad calibration and degraded performance caught by regulators testing automobile safety standards?

The article also posits that this ability to make OTA updates expands the (IMO very very bad) SWE perspective that “it’s OK to ship unfinished and buggy products” into safety critical systems.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Wait till you see how much it costs (in sales) to NOT have it. Eg: I won’t buy a car without it.

Generally yes, but I would buy a car that has no screen at all, just give me a phone holder on the dash.

I’d rather have a big screen for GPS.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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BMW i3 is great for city/town if you’re OK with electric. Not 4x4, but minimal “assist”, just traction control. Internet remote stuff is optional but nice. In the fully autonomous future the car I want to own and drive will still be my 6MT 911! :-) If I want to be driven, I’ll just book a waymo.

>If I want to be driven, I’ll just book a waymo. So move to one of the 2 or 3 cities in the US that have Waymo?

I think you missed the part about the fully autonomous future.

We aren’t there yet.

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