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Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Remove the LTE chip and all functionality related to ads, support wireless CarPlay and android auto, and use physical buttons. You’ll win every award in the industry.

I have heard CarPlay royalty is quite big - has anyone some numbers?

Edit: maybe my information was old - some sources say it costs nothing

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Remove the LTE chip and all functionality related to ads, support wireless CarPlay and android auto, and use physical buttons. You’ll win every award in the industry.

I have heard CarPlay royalty is quite big - has anyone some numbers? Edit: maybe my information was old - some sources say it costs nothing

Wait till you see how much it costs (in sales) to NOT have it. Eg: I won’t buy a car without it.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Embedded-systems programming is not taught, and no one is willing to pay for training. The result is that development is outsourced to entities that claim, falsely, to have the knowledge. Eventually the consequences of the fact that they do not have the knowledge surface in an undeniable manner, and the only way to cover is to make a great show of a fresh start. (This affects all industries, not just automotive, but…

Automotive has the problem of overwrought frameworks and no-code tooling that make it hard to fix problems and make improvements. Once the original devs are burned out or laid off the codebase rots and gets handed off to maintenance devs who barely know how anything works.

I'm waiting for a recall fix for the underpowered Sync 2.5 system to correct a backup camera problem. I'm not looking forward to worsening of all the current bugs with USB audio file playback that cause the UI to hang or not show a fully rendered display.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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I have heard CarPlay royalty is quite big - has anyone some numbers? Edit: maybe my information was old - some sources say it costs nothing

Wait till you see how much it costs (in sales) to NOT have it. Eg: I won’t buy a car without it.

Generally yes, but I would buy a car that has no screen at all, just give me a phone holder on the dash.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Embedded-systems programming is not taught, and no one is willing to pay for training. The result is that development is outsourced to entities that claim, falsely, to have the knowledge. Eventually the consequences of the fact that they do not have the knowledge surface in an undeniable manner, and the only way to cover is to make a great show of a fresh start. (This affects all industries, not just automotive, but…

Everything is just outsourced to the lowest bidder anyway

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait till you see how much it costs (in sales) to NOT have it. Eg: I won’t buy a car without it.

Generally yes, but I would buy a car that has no screen at all, just give me a phone holder on the dash.

Yeah all I want is something that holds the phone and gives it a USB-C port that charges it, lets me play media through it, and lets buttons on the wheel control the phone (volume, next/previous, and programmable go forward/back x seconds buttons).

USB-C is so powerful, it can do everything Bluetooth does while charging, but for some reason that's just not an option in a lot of cars? Make it make sense.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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So I have serious thoughts about driving “software defined vehicles” in the future. I mean, and the article has confirmed this sufficiently, the core competence of the established car manufacturers is not software. I don't trust the newcomers like Tesla or the Chinese manufacturers for the time being. In my opinion, the same standards should apply to software in motor vehicles as in the aviation industry. And there c…

There are safety standards for automobile software: ISO 26262.

Software for steering or braking systems is of high quality. It's not the same team that does the infotainment.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait till you see how much it costs (in sales) to NOT have it. Eg: I won’t buy a car without it.

Generally yes, but I would buy a car that has no screen at all, just give me a phone holder on the dash.

You might be interested in the Slate truck when it comes out. It's too early to tell, but I like their philosophy.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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So I have serious thoughts about driving “software defined vehicles” in the future. I mean, and the article has confirmed this sufficiently, the core competence of the established car manufacturers is not software. I don't trust the newcomers like Tesla or the Chinese manufacturers for the time being. In my opinion, the same standards should apply to software in motor vehicles as in the aviation industry. And there c…

Aviation standards are the way they are because if you have an engine problem you can’t pull over to the side of the road. But yes, something approximating these for road conditions is a good idea imo. Part of me thinks the reason they are doing an integrated system is a combination of economics and convenience for 3 letter agencies to remotely assassinate ppl.

Having an engine problem on a back road is one thing, having a software-system-integration-what-the-hell problem on a Autobahn at 180 km/h +/- is a different story. And yes, I do not want my family in the car at that moment.
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