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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Is Pope Leo eligible to be voted President of the United States?

Article I, Section 9, Clause 8: No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

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Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Notably, in that case he might end up no longer being able to enter the US at all: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Amendment_(immigration)

That would only apply if he were to renounce for the purpose of avoiding taxation, as opposed to for the purpose of having his sole allegiance be that of the city-state and the church over which he rules, or for the purpose of having diplomatic immunity during visits to the US.

> if he were to renounce for the purpose of avoiding taxation

That was indeed the premise of the comment I was responding to.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

#983

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If you're talking about crossing country borders, then maybe. If you're talking about distance traveled, I would venture to guess that Americans on average travel further distances. The United States of America has states larger than many countries in Europe.

Citizens of the world usually refers to cultural exposure and appreciation for differences around the world. I have never seen it refer to distance travelled, however I can see how some Americans can use that definition to try and change the topic

Are you under the impression that the United States doesn't have a diverse mix of cultures, or that people here don't appreciate differences? That's literally what the "great melting pot" thing is all about.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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post #911

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No he wasn't.

Argentinia is in America, you know. Maybe not in North America or the US, but certainly in America.

Since we're using English, Argentina is in South America. People in Argentina speak Spanish and would call themselves americanos or sudamericanos. But in actuality they call themselves argentinos because everyone on earth understands that American unambiguously refers to citizens of the USA.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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post #911

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Argentinia is in America, you know. Maybe not in North America or the US, but certainly in America.

Since we're using English, Argentina is in South America. People in Argentina speak Spanish and would call themselves americanos or sudamericanos. But in actuality they call themselves argentinos because everyone on earth understands that American unambiguously refers to citizens of the USA.

> because everyone on earth understands that American unambiguously refers to citizens of the USA.

With the exception of the Oxford English Dictionary and several others, of course.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since we're using English, Argentina is in South America. People in Argentina speak Spanish and would call themselves americanos or sudamericanos. But in actuality they call themselves argentinos because everyone on earth understands that American unambiguously refers to citizens of the USA.

> because everyone on earth understands that American unambiguously refers to citizens of the USA. With the exception of the Oxford English Dictionary and several others, of course.

You're using a dictionary, its literal job is to show you every possible definition of a word — not the most common sense definition. Maybe try urban dictionary or even Wikipedia?

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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> because everyone on earth understands that American unambiguously refers to citizens of the USA. With the exception of the Oxford English Dictionary and several others, of course.

You're using a dictionary, its literal job is to show you every possible definition of a word — not the most common sense definition. Maybe try urban dictionary or even Wikipedia?

You claimed: " everyone on earth understands that American unambiguously refers to citizens of the USA "

This is false. As you have just acknowledged in your own comment.

The OED has multiple on record in major print publications examples of use of the word american in multiple contexts. One of those is specific to the United States of America which is the more common usage.

Not the only, and not always unambiguously so.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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post #911

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Argentinia is in America, you know. Maybe not in North America or the US, but certainly in America.

Since we're using English, Argentina is in South America. People in Argentina speak Spanish and would call themselves americanos or sudamericanos. But in actuality they call themselves argentinos because everyone on earth understands that American unambiguously refers to citizens of the USA.

Hello no! If we are speaking English, Argentinians are Americans and so am I, from Brazil. The only thing that is unambiguously an US thing is the concept of calling people from the Americas latinos. Even many Europeans find it stupid.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

#989

I just like that he was a math major.

He was a substitute science teacher at St. Rita, on the South Side (when we were in 8th grade in Catholic school on the South Side, Rita is one of the high schools that came and pitched to us; Marist and Carmel were the two big draws for boys, McCauley for girls). Can you imagine how weird it would be to have a high school science teacher that went on to become pope ?

I mean: THE POPE. Mr. Prevost!

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

#990
post #332

I thought an American pope would be the last thing Vatican wanted (to avoid being seen too close to US)

Sure. That's how it could have happened.

If you think the Catholic Church isn't a sharp institution with a pulse on humanity around the globe.

Sometimes institutions know that they are simple shells. That what is truly important is the people that they represent and how they can serve those people.

There are both theological and political implications to that view above.

Maybe serving those people can best be accomplished through humility and throwing a US pope, and their current papacy, under the bus.

That's an incredibly cynical view of Church politics. But then again my first bank account was a Catholic Credit Union and I still remember my days in Sunday School.

That's not an indictment of my upbringing. Nobody gets blamed for funkyness with tying finances to religion or lost accounts or any of that.

That's me saying regardless of what happens with the current pope, whether my views are too cynical or not cynical enough:

There will be no blame or anger for how I was raised and treated. I met beautiful family and friends through the church, and my parents found community.

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