Europe launches program to lure scientists away from the US • Hacker News Board

Re: Europe launches program to lure scientists away from the US

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Post by bdangubic » Sat, May 10, 2025, 2:12 PM UTC

Gazoche wrote: post #97

mpweiher wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not EU R&D budget. This is a small delta, extra funding specifically for attracting US scientists who are looking to move. Comparing this to the total expenditure by the US federal government seems...odd. I asked ChatGPT: "Combining both EU-level and national R&D expenditures, the total R&D spending across the EU in 2023 was approximately €505 billion." But that appears to be total, both government and indust…

For the love of everything, CHATGPT IS NOT A PRIMARY SOURCE. Always assume every fact it spits out is made up.

unless you know, it gives you verifyable sources to dig in deeper to verify - much like Google search (minus the ads on top) :)

Re: Europe launches program to lure scientists away from the US

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Post by mystified5016 » Sat, May 10, 2025, 2:12 PM UTC

mpweiher wrote: post #35

perihelions wrote: post #21

You people are too good at critical thinking to read "an investment of 500 million euros between 2025 and 2027" and not instantly write this off as empty grandstanding. How much does—or did, recently—the United States federal government invest in scientists in the USA? Is it ~$70 billion a year? [0] Europe can achieve America's (past) results when Europe starts talking with money. Science migration has historically g…

This is not EU R&D budget. This is a small delta, extra funding specifically for attracting US scientists who are looking to move. Comparing this to the total expenditure by the US federal government seems...odd. I asked ChatGPT: "Combining both EU-level and national R&D expenditures, the total R&D spending across the EU in 2023 was approximately €505 billion." But that appears to be total, both government and indust…

"I asked chatgpt" is an immediate downvote.

NOBODY CARES what chatgpt says, and EVERYONE has the ability to ask it themselves.

You aren't adding to the conversation, you're just taking up space.

Re: Europe launches program to lure scientists away from the US

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Post by mpweiher » Sat, May 10, 2025, 2:16 PM UTC

insane_dreamer wrote: post #100

mpweiher wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Europe has spent more on Ukraine than the US. - Europe has, sadly, also been the main sender of aid to, effectively, Hamas. I wish they would stop.

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We're saving ca 10 million people from the actual genocide the Arabs have been trying to perpetrate against Israel since at least 1948.

There is no genocide, attempted or not, in the other direction. In fact, the IDF has a non-combatant/combatant casualty ratio of around 1.2 : 1, which is by far the best (lowest) in the world. Typical is around 10:1.

Re: Europe launches program to lure scientists away from the US

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Post by mpweiher » Sat, May 10, 2025, 2:16 PM UTC

Gazoche wrote: post #97

mpweiher wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not EU R&D budget. This is a small delta, extra funding specifically for attracting US scientists who are looking to move. Comparing this to the total expenditure by the US federal government seems...odd. I asked ChatGPT: "Combining both EU-level and national R&D expenditures, the total R&D spending across the EU in 2023 was approximately €505 billion." But that appears to be total, both government and indust…

For the love of everything, CHATGPT IS NOT A PRIMARY SOURCE. Always assume every fact it spits out is made up.

Good thing then that I didn't use it as a primary source. :-)

Re: Europe launches program to lure scientists away from the US

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Post by mpweiher » Sat, May 10, 2025, 2:22 PM UTC

yladiz wrote: post #67

egisspegis wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should we fund/send aid for russia too? Since, you know, russian army is not the same as russian people. Or maybe we should lift sanctions off russia? I have a hunch a lot of pro-hamas people would love that.

Are the Russian people being persecuted such that many of them are being bombed in their homes after being given a token amount of time to evacuate, or many are starving to death?

No they're not. Because the Russians are the actual perpetrators.

Just like Hamas is.

Israel is defending itself against that aggression.

And yeah, being the civilian population of a brutal dictatorship that wages war against neighbor(s) without regard to the well-being of its own population sucks. It's horrible.

Should Ukraine stop defending itself because some Russians may get hurt?

Should the allies not have conquered Germany and Japan in WW2, because of the toll on the German civilian population?

Yes, war is horrible.

Pro Tip: don't start wars.

Re: Europe launches program to lure scientists away from the US

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Post by mpweiher » Sat, May 10, 2025, 2:29 PM UTC

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #61

mpweiher wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, funding a terror group that wants to destroy the west seems like a suboptimal use of our wealth.

This is tricky. Hamas are definitely bad guys, but it's not right to punish the Palestinians for their actions. The EU broke off formal relations with Hamas in 2007, aid is different though.

1. The Palestinians are not being "punished". That would actually be illegal and is not what Israel is doing. Israel is trying to destroy the party that attacked them, which is a legitimate war aim.

2. Being the civilian population of a dictatorship waging a brutal war of annihilation against its neighbors sucks, but is not the fault of the party being attacked and defending itself from said brutal attack.

3. Particularly if that dictatorship very explicitly uses the civilian population as human shields (an actual war crime) and does everything to maximize civilian casualties. Again, this is horrible, but not on the party that was attacked by said dictatorship, but rather on the dictatorship

4. Unlike, say, Nazi Germany, the last election produced a very solid majority for the party that is now running the dictatorship. And polls as well as public display, as much as those can be trusted, show a significant if not overwhelming majority in support of the war of annihilation waged against Israel.

Re: Europe launches program to lure scientists away from the US

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Post by jalapenos » Sat, May 10, 2025, 2:31 PM UTC

So they can... not do anything, to stay compliant?

Re: Europe launches program to lure scientists away from the US

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Post by jalapenos » Sat, May 10, 2025, 2:32 PM UTC

BrawnyBadger53 wrote: post #87

mpweiher wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Europe has spent more on Ukraine than the US. - Europe has, sadly, also been the main sender of aid to, effectively, Hamas. I wish they would stop.

Food and water aid being controversial is a bit ridiculous to me.

Must be damn good food and water

Re: Europe launches program to lure scientists away from the US

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Post by jalapenos » Sat, May 10, 2025, 2:34 PM UTC

constantcrying wrote: post #43

fooker wrote: post #22

Europe does every thing except the only needed thing, paying up. Not just for this, same for finding startups, helping Ukraine or Palestine.

Europe needs to do exactly one thing. Stop paying for everything.

When do I get some of that everything

Re: Europe launches program to lure scientists away from the US

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Post by mpweiher » Sat, May 10, 2025, 2:35 PM UTC

yladiz wrote: post #59

mpweiher wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, funding a terror group that wants to destroy the west seems like a suboptimal use of our wealth.

You do realize that Hamas and Palestine are not the same thing right, even if they are obviously related? Funding aid for Palestine is not the same as funding Hamas, even if it is impossible to avoid some money being used in ways it’s not supposed to.

Well, in fact it is. First the "official" agencies in charge of most of this aid are practically indistinguishable from Hamas. Second, most if not all the funds get diverted. Third, Hamas appears to enjoy widespread support within the Palestinian population, as shown by the last free elections, which Hamas won handily, as well as opinion polls and public displays.

And I am not talking about basic humanitarian aid such as food and medicines. I am talking about the high-level assistance, construction aid. Famously, water pipes paid for by the EU were torn out and used to make rockets and/or rocket launchers.