Europe launches program to lure scientists away from the US

Post by mistrial9 » Sat, May 10, 2025, 1:20 PM UTC

mpweiher wrote: post #35

perihelions wrote: post #21

You people are too good at critical thinking to read "an investment of 500 million euros between 2025 and 2027" and not instantly write this off as empty grandstanding. How much does—or did, recently—the United States federal government invest in scientists in the USA? Is it ~$70 billion a year? [0] Europe can achieve America's (past) results when Europe starts talking with money. Science migration has historically g…

This is not EU R&D budget. This is a small delta, extra funding specifically for attracting US scientists who are looking to move. Comparing this to the total expenditure by the US federal government seems...odd. I asked ChatGPT: "Combining both EU-level and national R&D expenditures, the total R&D spending across the EU in 2023 was approximately €505 billion." But that appears to be total, both government and indust…

Post by rad_gruchalski » Sat, May 10, 2025, 1:28 PM UTC

Epa095 wrote: post #92

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #88

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Where did you take the 500 billion figure from?

It's from the chatgpt quote my comment was an comment to: "[...] in 2023 was approximately €505 billion"

Post by qbit42 » Sat, May 10, 2025, 1:33 PM UTC

manoweb wrote: post #41

kelnos wrote: post #6

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I think that's perhaps -- perhaps! -- true of US citizens who live in the US and have seen their research funding evaporate. I'm not a scientist, but if my job prospects in the US started getting really grim, I would still have a hard time leaving my home to work elsewhere. But I'd probably at least consider it. But non-citizens, especially those who are being pushed to self-deport (or worse)...? I feel like somethin…

Hello, the self deport is for illegal aliens. There is no concern for who is in the USA with a valid visa to do science. In fact, the longest scientists and highly qualified people from Europe had to wait for a green card was under the Obama administration.

Post by Gazoche » Sat, May 10, 2025, 1:51 PM UTC

mpweiher wrote: post #35

perihelions wrote: post #21

You people are too good at critical thinking to read "an investment of 500 million euros between 2025 and 2027" and not instantly write this off as empty grandstanding. How much does—or did, recently—the United States federal government invest in scientists in the USA? Is it ~$70 billion a year? [0] Europe can achieve America's (past) results when Europe starts talking with money. Science migration has historically g…

This is not EU R&D budget. This is a small delta, extra funding specifically for attracting US scientists who are looking to move. Comparing this to the total expenditure by the US federal government seems...odd. I asked ChatGPT: "Combining both EU-level and national R&D expenditures, the total R&D spending across the EU in 2023 was approximately €505 billion." But that appears to be total, both government and indust…

Post by martin8412 » Sat, May 10, 2025, 1:57 PM UTC

squigz wrote: post #86

geremiiah wrote: post #66

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It's about money and everything else too. US is a really nice country to live in for high skilled individuals. An immigrant nation who speaks the international language, a fast growing economy, especially in cutting edge tech, with overall taxes lower than Europe and even the housing market crisis is not at bad as what you will encounter in many European cities. And its huge so for a lot of emigrants looking for a ne…

Don't most people in Denmark - and pretty much all Nordic countries - speak English?