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India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by geekasm »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #271
pkd wrote: post #241

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This is a weird line of reasoning. By this logic the aggressors will always win because the other side should always concede territory for peace. Even if Kashmir is ceded to Pakistan, there is no reason why they'd be done aggressing for more territory.

> By this logic the aggressors will always win because the other side should always concede territory for peace Nope. It’s just being realistic about the priorities at play. And there isn’t a clear aggressor in this conflict, it is as old as both states. (Also, countries have bought and sold territories for ages. That doesn’t invite aggression or strike me as wrong.) > if Kashmir is ceded to Pakistan, there is no rea…

> And there isn’t a clear aggressor in this conflict yes, there is. it is paxtan. They are sponsoring terror bases which commit terror acts within India.

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Post by SR2Z »

intended wrote: post #687
SR2Z wrote: post #679

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I can't even begin to understand this logic. Why do you think Pakistan orchestrated the last attack? Do you think those reasons had anything to do with the expectation of retaliation from India? The default is that Pakistan's motivations do not change and they keep doing what they've been doing. Ergo, another attack. Yes this is stupid and worse for both sides, but it only takes one party to start a fight.

I don’t think Pakistan orchestrated the last attack. The structure was designed for being disavowed. I expect it was more the army looked away, over condoned. And yes, the expectations are to generate a response from the BJP . By this rubric there are 4 actors on the stage. - The people of Pakistan, the Pakistani army, - The people of India, the BJP. I’ve had this discussion with friends who are Pakistani and they co…

> The structure was designed for being disavowed.

> I expect it was more the army looked away, over condoned.

Right, in the exact same way they "looked away" while OBL lived half a mile away from the most prestigious military academy in Pakistan and the same way they "over condoned" the Taj hotel shootings. You are not disagreeing with me here.

> The opinions of the Pakistani army have dramatically changed as per their interactions, having been at a nadir due to their domestic handling of events, and now these actions have reinvigorated public opinion.

This line describes Hamas just as well as the Pakistani state, unfortunately.

> The BJP has had its military credentials burnished.

Indian media always has been and always will be jingoistic and no matter how the government responded, it would gleefully report on the power of the Indian military.

> This has worked. This means this behavior will be repeated.

WHO has this worked for? The BJP isn't more popular because of this. Pakistan hasn't achieved any strategic goals beyond the continuing destabilization of J&K - which is already well on the way to integration.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by uwagar »

loweritnow wrote: post #685
uwagar wrote: post #535

i wonder where the terrorists went during the coronavirus pandemic. there was almost no problems in gaza or indo-pak area.

training probably

yeah all of them were training. at least you didnt say the suicide bombers were scared of the virus ;)

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by ashoeafoot »

ANewFormation wrote: post #620
ashoeafoot wrote: post #511

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They found parade uniforms in those tanks that stalled out on the way to Kjiev.

Further claims from Ukraine: they've had 30,000 total deaths, are inflicting casualties at a 10:1 rate, have a 'Ghost of Kyiv' single handedly flying around taking on Russia, Russia is out of missiles, and so on endlessly. They are not a reliable source.

you stand in a room with two doors .one always lies. you use the right door because its a old thing now. Everyone knows its a lie. Why the door and its noise is still around is a mystery .

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Post by tomhow »

computerthings wrote: post #689
tomhow wrote: post #678

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Several stories about Gaza have spent a lot of time on the front page.

Yes, and? None of it left untouched, ALL of it pushed down, and most of it flagged and disappeared.

When we leave them "untouched" they disappear rapidly due to community flags and automatic flamewar penalties. The only way for us to give them exposure is "touch" them – to override the flags and flamewar penalties (i.e., push the threads back up onto the front page), then spend hours poring through the comments to try to minimise the effects of the most inflammatory ones. Still, we do it often, but only when the story has "significant new information" which is always the test of whether a story belongs on HN.

As a comment: you keep coming at us with these accusations but don't seem to ever mention a specific news story that you think should have had a prominent discussion here but didn't.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by somenameforme »

ashoeafoot wrote: post #694
ANewFormation wrote: post #620

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Further claims from Ukraine: they've had 30,000 total deaths, are inflicting casualties at a 10:1 rate, have a 'Ghost of Kyiv' single handedly flying around taking on Russia, Russia is out of missiles, and so on endlessly. They are not a reliable source.

you stand in a room with two doors .one always lies. you use the right door because its a old thing now. Everyone knows its a lie. Why the door and its noise is still around is a mystery .

At this point we can, more or less, objectively assess who has been being honest throughout the war. And as is usually the case in war, the truth is on the side that's winning. The way to do this is simply to look at what each side is saying and contrast it against what happened, which you can easily do with web archives.

The only question is when to start. And I think May 2023 was probably the critical point in the war. That was shortly before Bakhmut would fall, and also shortly before the Ukraine counter offensive would be launched and also ultimately fail. The war was arguably effectively decided by July 2023. So here are state media from May 1st 2023. You can skim forward using the widget in the top right corner.

RT : https://web.archive.org/web/20230501115431/https://www.rt.co...

Kyiv Post: https://web.archive.org/web/20230501000808/https://www.kyivp...

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by sbmthakur »

oefrha wrote: post #676
sbmthakur wrote: post #670

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I live out of India, so that doesn't really impact me.

When all the potential hard evidence is in India and tightly controlled, of course it impacts your (and everyone else’s) ability to get evidence. According to CNN people had to delete video evidence of jet crashes, and journalists weren’t allowed to get anywhere close.

I am not exactly going to worry about things that I can't control. The best I can do is check sources from other side(which are equally bad if not worse) and amplify voices of reason.

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Post by sbmthakur »

hyruo wrote: post #633
sbmthakur wrote: post #304

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Their claim went from 2 to 3 to 6 to 5. So, I will be careful about such news.

You can't expect Russia to admit that SU30 and MiG29 were shot down by Pakistan.

I also don't expect US to openly admit to a potential F-16 crash. It's just bad for business.

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Post by leosanchez »

lazide wrote: post #662
enugu wrote: post #657

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Dont buy your description of India. Elections matter, BJP can and does lose many elections, India is dependent on oil from Gulf countries, it doesn't have US to shield it from actions which it shouldn't even be doing in the first place, there are much better options against Pakistan etc.

India is also buying oil from Russia - at a discount, or used to - because it is one of the few that could do so openly. Attacking Pakistan over this also strengthens BJP’s hand and distracts everyone from the complaints that have been eroding their support, like ongoing corruption, high taxes with lower quality of life, etc. etc. Don’t expect the gulf countries to come to Pakistan’s aid over this, especially if it c…

> Attacking Pakistan over this also strengthens BJP’s hand and distracts everyone from the complaints that have been eroding their support, like ongoing corruption, high taxes with lower quality of life, etc. etc.

This won't last long, though. BJP lost the elections after Kargil War.

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