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Social drinking also a well-worn path to alcohol use disorder

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Re: Social drinking also a well-worn path to alcohol use disorder

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It is a weird line in the sand that many people draw. If I had two drinks alone every night I would see that as more troubling than having three drinks with friends every night.

The NHS recommendation is 14 units per week max, over the course of at least 3 days (don't consume the entire budget in a single day or occasion). A pint from a weaker beer counts as 2 units while a stronger one costs 3.

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/alcohol-advice/calculating-alco...

Re: Social drinking also a well-worn path to alcohol use disorder

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He really does not, you should take a second look at the countless rules you have to follow to stay in His good graces.

Those rules actually do contribute to a happy life. Hedonistic indulgence does not, in the long term anyway

Re: Social drinking also a well-worn path to alcohol use disorder

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Alcohol has exeptionally bad ergonomics when it comes to intoxicants. Its strong effects on behavior and experience are wildly unpredictable, it has severe undesirable effects, it's stongly toxic, it causes morbid dependence and has particularly bad physiological and psychological after effects.

We can do better than alcohol.

Re: Social drinking also a well-worn path to alcohol use disorder

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> People tend to assume that “the mere presence of other individuals exerts a beneficial effect” that tempers the desire to overindulge when drinking, Fairbairn said. Who thinks that? I have never personally known anyone who drinks much alone, but plenty who drink too much in groups.

I mean… you wouldn’t necessarily know about the people who drink alone. If you were someone who binged alone why would you talk about it?

This is basically it. You don't know that Bill from accounting crushes a six-pack every night when he gets home from work, alone. How would you? He's doing it in his kitchen, or on his couch. The guys at the liquor store know. His doctor knows. But his friends and colleagues? Probably not.

Re: Social drinking also a well-worn path to alcohol use disorder

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This strikes me as a "safe" psychology study, one virtually certain to produce a publishable outcome.

Surprisingly, the linked technical article, which was paid for with tax dollars, is paywalled -- isn't that practice supposed to end?

Without being able to read the article, I'll go out on a limb and guess that the article's data were collected by interviewing people, asking about their drinking habits. This is a very unreliable method compared to measuring people's blood alcohol levels -- granted that the latter design would be prohibitively expensive.

Anecdotal studies are notoriously unreliable. A young researcher once performed an interview-based study that showed married people live longer than single people. On reviewing the paper, an older, more experienced scientist suggested that public records would cost less and produce better results. The young scientist tried again, using actuarial data, and the original conclusion was falsified: married people don't live longer, it just seems longer.

Re: Social drinking also a well-worn path to alcohol use disorder

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean… you wouldn’t necessarily know about the people who drink alone. If you were someone who binged alone why would you talk about it?

At a certain point that’s all the overindulger has to converse about.

It doesn't have to degrade to that level. There's definitely a population that drinks alone and has interests outside of alcohol. I've known plenty of divorced men that regularly drink while watching sports/TV alone, but when picking a conversation topic will often choose their kids or sports over alcohol consumption.

Re: Social drinking also a well-worn path to alcohol use disorder

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I drink socially. Maybe once a month. And usually it is just one beer. And have never craved it. I think if I drank more often, my desire for it would not change. My brain is not wired to crave it I guess. If yours is, then it doesn't matter if you are drinking, socially or not, you have put yourself on a slippery slope.

>I think if I drank more often, my desire for it would not change.

I highly doubt this would be the case (as in, alcohol doesn't work like that). Let's say that for every 10kg of your bodyweight you drink 2 beers per night (330ml), then by the time you get to day four you might be more worried about not getting a drink.

Re: Social drinking also a well-worn path to alcohol use disorder

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> People tend to assume that “the mere presence of other individuals exerts a beneficial effect” that tempers the desire to overindulge when drinking, Fairbairn said. Who thinks that? I have never personally known anyone who drinks much alone, but plenty who drink too much in groups.

Everybody I personally knew who died of alcohol drank too much alone. They also drank a lot in groups but oftentimes held the drink better than many who drank less.

Re: Social drinking also a well-worn path to alcohol use disorder

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Alcohol has exeptionally bad ergonomics when it comes to intoxicants. Its strong effects on behavior and experience are wildly unpredictable, it has severe undesirable effects, it's stongly toxic, it causes morbid dependence and has particularly bad physiological and psychological after effects. We can do better than alcohol.

Alcohol is one of the few intoxicants that you can legally buy almost anywhere in the world that is well regulated, has consistent dosages, and can engage in publicly. Being able to consistently source an unadulterated supply is one of its major appeals. Prohibition decreased consumption by as much as 70%.

Re: Social drinking also a well-worn path to alcohol use disorder

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Alcohol has exeptionally bad ergonomics when it comes to intoxicants. Its strong effects on behavior and experience are wildly unpredictable, it has severe undesirable effects, it's stongly toxic, it causes morbid dependence and has particularly bad physiological and psychological after effects. We can do better than alcohol.

Classical music and emmental cheese can also be an effective mood-altering substance: https://youtu.be/IeLGP2dsjME
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