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Social drinking also a well-worn path to alcohol use disorder

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"Alcohol use disorder" recalls George Carlin on the evolution of language: "In this classic George Carlin routine, the legendary comedian breaks down how language has been systematically softened over time. From "shell shock" to "battle fatigue" and eventually to "post-traumatic stress disorder," Carlin illustrates how our words have become more complex and less impactful. He argues that Americans have difficulty fac…

The great thing about calling it "alcohol use disorder" is that it lets you diagnose more people. If you're a nonprofit or advocacy group, "alcoholics" are only going to get you so far in terms of funding, also dealing with them is messy and incredibly difficult. If you can shift the overton window on whats considered "problematic" drinking you get to "educate" people and get funding for things which have fewer hard…

If it's a disorder, then it's "not your fault", it's something that's "happened to you". It removes personal liability from the choices we make.

Re: Social drinking also a well-worn path to alcohol use disorder

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It is a weird line in the sand that many people draw. If I had two drinks alone every night I would see that as more troubling than having three drinks with friends every night.

How is that weird? Socialization is generally healthy, which is why there's less of a stigma. It's not like the average alone drinker is doing pushups while shooting whiskey.

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"Alcohol use disorder" recalls George Carlin on the evolution of language: "In this classic George Carlin routine, the legendary comedian breaks down how language has been systematically softened over time. From "shell shock" to "battle fatigue" and eventually to "post-traumatic stress disorder," Carlin illustrates how our words have become more complex and less impactful. He argues that Americans have difficulty fac…

Meh, Carlin doesn't land the same way in my 30s that he did in my 20s. It changed from shell shock to battle fatigue to PTSD because you can get it without battle (IED) or being shelled by artillery. It lacks oomph but it's more correct imo.

It’s a comedy bit. It’s deliberately not very nuanced. I like Carlin a lot but he got a little too negative and political towards the end for my taste.

Re: Social drinking also a well-worn path to alcohol use disorder

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This may just be me, but the lack of a decent longitudinal study on these narratives is pretty weak science. For the last 40? 50? years there have been alcohol stories fairly consistently in the media, and we still struggle with substantiating claims- about the only thing we can say for certain is that the people who write these types of articles don't like alcohol OR in the opposing view point, they love alcohol.

With all that said I think we have enough info to say alcohol aint good for you physiologically.... but we don't have enough info to say the social benefits might actually outweigh the negatives.

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"Alcohol use disorder" recalls George Carlin on the evolution of language: "In this classic George Carlin routine, the legendary comedian breaks down how language has been systematically softened over time. From "shell shock" to "battle fatigue" and eventually to "post-traumatic stress disorder," Carlin illustrates how our words have become more complex and less impactful. He argues that Americans have difficulty fac…

> "language [...] Americans have difficulty facing harsh realities"

This makes it sound like it's an American/Western phenomena, where it's definitely not (only there). It's a recurring joke among me and my friends in Japan to say "the moon is beautiful tonight" because in true Japanese culture that's a way to say "I love you".

Though OTOH Spanish went the opposite direction, where my Mexican friends say some times more swear words in a sentence than normal words; but they've become meaningless or softer.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Alcoholics pregame in order to reduce criticism by reducing the number of beverages they are observed consuming. Once your inhibitions are gone you don’t care as much though.

Pregaming is also typically cheaper than consuming every drink in a setting like a bar, restaurant, or other commercial venue

If you are a regular and heavy drinker, the prices establishments charge are unbearable. Plus, the drinks are like watered down pop. Can't even taste what's in it.

Re: Social drinking also a well-worn path to alcohol use disorder

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I drink socially. Maybe once a month. And usually it is just one beer. And have never craved it. I think if I drank more often, my desire for it would not change. My brain is not wired to crave it I guess. If yours is, then it doesn't matter if you are drinking, socially or not, you have put yourself on a slippery slope.

It's a spectrum. I started to slip at some point, stopped drinking for a year and a half, and now I have an occasional beer with friends and it's not a big deal. Peoples' experiences with alcohol are extremely variable.
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