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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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I wouldn't be shocked if that's one of the reasons why they sequester

The sequestering goes back centuries, but it's certainly a reason to keep doing it beyond just removing outside influence once the process begins.

I'm sure insider gambling also goes back centuries, probably even since before Christ

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Cubs

Indeed, and he's from Dolton (a southern suburb) and lived in Hyde Park (south side of Chicago) for awhile. (Not that it's uncommon for south siders to favor the Cubs, but it certainly is amusing.) https://blockclubchicago.org/2025/05/08/pope-leo-xiv-is-a-cu... https://abc7chicago.com/post/2025-is-new-pope-cardinal-rober...

Too late to edit but apparently his brother has stated he's a Sox fan, and the Block Club article has been updated accordingly.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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> The current zeitgeist is that Catholic priests are pedophiles. This is a widely held belief because it is so frequently true. Just not true; the rate isn't really higher than what you see at football clubs, scout clubs, etc. What made it so bad in the catholic church are the cover-ups. Lots can be said about that. It was really bad. But the notion that many (or all) Catholic priets are pedos is complete bollocks.

What also made the abuse scandal so bad was that it is predominantly a problem of homosexuality. And the Catholic Church has been quite accustomed to ordain gay men to the priesthood and accept them into monasteries. And this is not generally a problem if the men have good self-control and they can uphold their vows. But if homosexual men begin to dabble in pederasty and begin to abuse their positions of power agains…

> but the absence of little girls from the records has been difficult to deny

… Consider Wikipedia's explanation of the situation described upthread. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pope_Leo_XIV&oldi...

> In 2022, alleged victims of abuse in 2007 by priests Ricardo Yesquén and Eleuterio Vásquez Gonzáles said Prevost failed to investigate their case.[58] The Diocese of Chiclayo stated that Prevost followed proper procedures, met with Ana María Quispe and her sisters in April 2022 to personally attend the victims, encouraging civil action while initiating a canonical investigation (which he sent to the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith).[59][60] The sisters stated in 2024 that no full penal canonical investigation occurred, and an article from América Televisión agreed the church's investigation was not thorough.[61][62]

Please consider whether you might be prejudiced, and whether the things you believe might be false. Your assertions certainly are.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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At 69 that's pretty close to half of his life, and since it's the early half there is more weight to it as it forms the context from which the rest is understood.

> the context from which the rest is understood. What? Speaking from experience, the country you go to after 20s is the one you choose, not the one you were forced to live in. This has a huge factor in your thinking more than the number of years on paper.

On the nature/nature aspect people are already predominantly nature. For the nurture component of the residual the early years are very formative. As an expat who has spent much more of my life outside my country of birth than in it, and knows many other expats who have done the same, from my observation our upbringing still dominates our behavior. It is also a selection criteria bias where expats are more likely to identify with other expats even when not from the same country or residing in the same country which is one of the reasons expats tend to form communities with other expats. The problem with self assessing behavior is that the same biases which determine behavior is used for assessing the behavior where much of what is considered merely normal is ignored leading to over-weighting the size of the unusual component.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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The Catholic church has embraced science. It even accepts evolution and the big bang theory (as in: accepts it as a possibility, doesn't disavow it)

>It even accepts evolution and the big bang theory There's no need for "even" in the sentence. Georges Lemaître who was the originator of the big bang theory was a literal catholic priest and theoretical physicist, and funnily enough the theory was originally accused of bringing religious bias into physics. Likewise prominent Catholics who were Darwin's contemporaries like John Henry Newman had no issue with evolutio…

True, but in online discussion about religion, Genesis (aka the big bang and evolution) is often the most contended point, even for those who don't have a literal view of the Bible. the discovery of chemical elements or the proof of Fermat's theorem is also scientific, but has another weight than the aforementioned two. Hence "even."

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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You cannot post inflammatory, escalatory comments like this on Hacker News, and we ban accounts that do it repeatedly. I'm not banning now as you've been a community member for a while and have posted some good comments, but please take care to read the guidelines and avoid posting like this in future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?i…

I appreciate the clemency, and will change my ways. Why are topics like this not considered Off-Topic by the guidelines?

Why are topics like this not considered Off-Topic by the guidelines?

A recent tomhow (and why) explanation:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43750046

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Yes, it of course happens, but when it does it is usually a signal that the new pope intends to continue with the vision of his predecessor. (John Paul II is also something of an anomaly, because John Paul I died barely a month into his papacy and so didn't have time to put in place any real agenda. John Paul II was more commemorating John Paul I the man.)

> Yes, it of course happens, It happens far more often than otherwise ; you've reversed rule and exception.

Yes, but the past half century has been a rather unusual time for the Church since it's coming out of one of the more consequential ecumenical councils. It typically takes the Church a few generations to come to an agreement about the meaning of an important council. But in the immediate wake of it there's usually a wider diversity of visions.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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If he's on the same positions as Pope Francis but he's American, then this is a great move by the Catholic Church. Many Americans will naturally root for "their" Pope, and this will lead them away from the positions of Trump and the Evangelicals.

I doubt so, Christian Republicans conveniently ignore the parts of the Bible that directly contradict their ideology. How else could J.D. Vance consider himself a Catholic when his actions so directly go against the teachings of Christ? More generally, I think religion doesn't really inform your political views. It can certainly reinforce them post-hoc, but it certainly isn't the basis of one's morality.

I agree that your statement about religion not informing political views is true of many people. I would argue that the "standard" positions of both major parties in America have components which seriously contradict standard Christian teachings. If one wanted to find a party that more accurately reflected Christian positions they'd have to do something like vote for the American Solidary Party, which is arguably completely ineffective (I still did it).

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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That's an interesting thought but if they're actually that concerned about it then they'd wait longer than four months. It probably has more to do with America's predominant religion being protestantism by a very wife margin for most of the country's existence. We didn't have a Catholic president until Kennedy and even then proving to the common American that Catholics aren't insane Vatican mindslaves was considered…

> America's predominant religion being Protestantism Tangent: Protestantism is not a religion. The religion is called Christianity. I have seen this trend for quite a while of Protestants (or people born in Protestant countries) of referring to Christianity branches as religions. I find it very segregational. The whole point of all the branches is the same guy whose name begins with C. But yes, given the state of Ame…

If that is how we wanna logic through this, all of these religions are Judaism; Jesus-branches and Torah-branches and Mohammed branches and on and on…

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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That's an interesting thought but if they're actually that concerned about it then they'd wait longer than four months. It probably has more to do with America's predominant religion being protestantism by a very wife margin for most of the country's existence. We didn't have a Catholic president until Kennedy and even then proving to the common American that Catholics aren't insane Vatican mindslaves was considered…

> America's predominant religion being Protestantism Tangent: Protestantism is not a religion. The religion is called Christianity. I have seen this trend for quite a while of Protestants (or people born in Protestant countries) of referring to Christianity branches as religions. I find it very segregational. The whole point of all the branches is the same guy whose name begins with C. But yes, given the state of Ame…

I am an Orthodox Christian and I can tell you that to us, Protestantism definitely looks like a completely different religion.

Despite claiming that they follow Christ, our and their definition of "following" is so different that what they do and believe often looks unrecognizable.

The same can be said about the difference between Catholics and Protestants. Despite our disagreements, the Orthodox and Catholic churches still share a lot theologically. The same cannot be said about Protestants (although, that also depends on what denominations you consider).

It's not to say that we don't share any values. We actually do and there are many individual Protestants that behave in a more Christian way than some members of the Orthodox Church.

However, that is not a highly relevant factor. For one reason or another, there are many atheists and members of other religions that do as well. But those still remain clearly separate and would never be classified as Christians.

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