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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by croon »

WrongAssumption wrote: post #868
dessimus wrote: post #820

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> Nevermind the patriot act... Whether you agree with it or not, at least the Patriot Act was passed by Congress and not simply Executive Orders because it's too inconvenient to work with Congress on legislation.

I don’t know that the majority of congress choosing to violate the constitution really makes your point.

It passed the house with 357–66 and senate with 98–1. That's well passed the required two thirds for passing an amendment if they wanted to.

I'm as critical as anyone, but GP's point stands.

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Post by 4ggr0 »

_a3ax wrote: post #835
CGMthrowaway wrote: post #647

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What do they discuss? There is an Opus Dei church near me and I always wondered what was up

Opus Dei is an extreme reactionary group within the church. Leo XIII was a liberal pope responsible for the social doctrine of the church (this text). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_Opus_Dei Personal experience: when I was in high school in my country there was a teacher who was in Opus Dei. He tried to recruit students by leaving them a letter and inviting them to a "scholarship". I got such a l…

> We're a mixed-race country

There are single-race countries?

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Post by Jedd »

AdhemarVandamme wrote: post #855
Jedd wrote: post #780

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Accurately speaking, that wasn't true before the Panama canal was built, and remains not true subsequently.

How would you argue such claims, geographically and/or accurately speaking? — Other than: that’s how I was taught it is; or that’s how my favourite teacher/book/source-with-some-authority says it is. There is no generally-agreed-upondefinition for “continent”, in the same way that there was no generally-agreed-upon definition of “planet” prior to the IAU 2006 General Assembly. Continents are identified by convention…

> And another that even considers Afro-Eurasia to be a single continent.

Well, as per parent's logic, that claim is out the door ever since the Suez was dug out.

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Post by 4ggr0 »

nosianu wrote: post #176
ch4s3 wrote: post #18

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The white smoke means there's a pope thing started in 1914[1], but they've been burning the ballots for a very long time. [1] https://www.history.com/articles/pope-conclave-smoke-color

Annoyingly, when I go to that page, even from Google where I found that URL too, I end up at the German homepage www.history.de (no path, the main page). I cannot go to history.com no matter what. I hate "intelligent" websites as much as I like touchpad microwaves, and that means not at all. Why would anyone assume an enforced(!!!) connection between my geographic location and the language-version of the website?

> I hate "intelligent" websites as much as I like touchpad microwaves, and that means not at all

So you don't hate "intelligent" websites, at all? :D Then you must love this lang-redirect!

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Post by nkrisc »

sailfast wrote: post #226
nkrisc wrote: post #82

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Well, he's Catholic, so I think White Sox is more likely.

Many MANY many north siders are catholic as well.

Of course, but if you show me a Catholic white guy from Chicago I’m still putting my money on South Side.

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Post by DanielVZ »

macspoofing wrote: post #607
smnrg wrote: post #605

Many Italian newspapers (example: IlPost) and, I suspect, many non-US media, report this as “the second American Pope, the first from the USA.” Which, I think, is fair, as South and Latin are also America. And so is Canada. And so was Francis. But I usually find it a hard concept to convey to my fellow local USsians.

>to my fellow local USsians. I think you illustrated why the concept exists. USA actually has "America" in its name, unlike others - hence 'Americans' and not 'USsians'.

But then it clashes with the naming of other people that live in America. We south americans also call ourselves Americans because we live in América – taught as a single continent with two subcontinents. We call people from the US Estadounidenses because “Americans” wouldn’t make any sense for us.

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Post by madcaptenor »

skissane wrote: post #809
User23 wrote: post #801

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There’s a really interesting question here. Will the USA claim the right to tax the new pontiff? Likely answer is no, but legally the statute suggests yes. But who knows? There’s never before been a US citizen who is also a foreign sovereign.

> There’s never before been a US citizen who is also a foreign sovereign. Éamon de Valera was born in New York City in 1882, and served as President of Ireland from 1959 to 1973 Bhumibol Adulyadej was born in Cambridge, Massachusetts in 1927, and served as King of Thailand from 1946 until his death in 2016 That’s just two US-born individuals who became head of state of another country, there may be more. I assume bot…

I was wondering whether Wikipedia would comment. They don't, but somebody already edited Bhumibol's article to say that "His father was enrolled in the public health program at Harvard University, which is why Bhumibol was the only monarch to be born in the US until the 2025 papal conclave elected Pope Leo XIV."

There are some sources indicating that children of foreign sovereigns would be exempt from automatic citizenship, but Bhumibol's father wasn't the king, just the king's brother.

Éamon de Valera's case is unambiguous.

There are surely other world leaders who spent significant time in the US - Benjamin Netanyahu spent some time in the Philadelphia area as a child, for example. And a little bit of research turns up Naftali Bennett, prime minister of Israel in 2021-22 - he was a US citizen (born in Israel to US citizen parents) until he had to renounce his US citizenship when elected to the Knesset.

Famously Einstein was offered the presidency of Israel (which is a largely ceremonial post), which presumably would have come with Israeli citizenship, but he turned it down.

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Post by madcaptenor »

DonHopkins wrote: post #879
froh wrote: post #645

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he is completely US American because he was born and raised there and studied there, maths and philosophy amongst other things. and in addition he is also Peruvian. so he's more than American. hyper American if you will. and now he's the head of state of the Vatican, too. a triple whopper of sorts ;-)

You can't study maths in America. There is only one math in America.

There are many sports though.

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Post by madcaptenor »

andrew_lettuce wrote: post #723
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> Cardinal Pizzaballa Not going to lie, I had to check that this was a real name (it is)

Is this the guy they where hoping would take the name Papa John?

That would have been amazing. (And not impossible, there have been plenty of Popes named John.)

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Post by madcaptenor »

StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #811
samsepi01 wrote: post #726

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If Peru gets to claim this pope, then the US gets to claim Tesla, Einstein, etc. lol

Nobody claims the pope. This is a weird take. We are not talking about some sport celebrity. It’s true that the man was born in the USA and was a bishop in Peru. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Peruvian catholics were happy to have a pope who lived their country.

The Peruvians definitely seem to be happy about it:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/08/pope-leo-xiv-p...

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cewdl4e57v7o

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/for-us-pope-is-peruvi...

and, unsurprisingly, the Peruvian-Americans:

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/paterson-nj-new-pope-le...

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