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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by Barrin92 »

tgv wrote: post #279
ryandv wrote: post #177

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It's a modern rhetorical fallacy that science is directly antithetical to religion, when many of history's greatest scientists were themselves "spiritual" in some way (though that degree of spirituality may have ranged from near-atheistic scientific pantheism a la Einstein and Sagan, to members of the clergy). I am glad there are still numerous counterexamples of those with firm educations in hard STEM fields that st…

The Catholic church has embraced science. It even accepts evolution and the big bang theory (as in: accepts it as a possibility, doesn't disavow it)

>It even accepts evolution and the big bang theory

There's no need for "even" in the sentence. Georges Lemaître who was the originator of the big bang theory was a literal catholic priest and theoretical physicist, and funnily enough the theory was originally accused of bringing religious bias into physics.

Likewise prominent Catholics who were Darwin's contemporaries like John Henry Newman had no issue with evolution back then either. The Church fathers never read the bible like a positivist text. (this is a very 20th century fundamentalist invention)

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by niij »

amelius wrote: post #598
jsnider3 wrote: post #450

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If they want someone who can effectively oppose Trump, why would they pick someone he suggested?

What did any pope actually do to oppose anybody?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investiture_Controversy

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by bb86754 »

cperciva wrote: post #719
mensetmanusman wrote: post #553

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These are the types of things talked about in small groups near your local cathedral by members of groups like Opus Dei everywhere around the world. All are welcome :)

All are welcome Including atheists?

Yup

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Post by I-M-S »

niij wrote: post #742
amelius wrote: post #598

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What did any pope actually do to oppose anybody?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investiture_Controversy

I believe the question implied "in living memory". Popes notoriously don't directly speak up even against atrocities such as genocides, let alone act on it (with levers that are most certainly in their control, such as excommunications).

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by bentley »

smnrg wrote: post #605

Many Italian newspapers (example: IlPost) and, I suspect, many non-US media, report this as “the second American Pope, the first from the USA.” Which, I think, is fair, as South and Latin are also America. And so is Canada. And so was Francis. But I usually find it a hard concept to convey to my fellow local USsians.

This is a straightforward consequence of how continents are defined by various cultures.

In Anglo cultures, there are seven continents, with a distinct North and South America, and Europe and Asia.

In Romance cultures, there are six continents, with a single America, and a distinct Europe and Asia.

In some eastern European cultures, there are six continents, with a distinct North and South America, and a single Eurasia.

Who’s right? Who’s wrong? It’s kind of meaningless; it’s not like these definitions are based on some semi‐objective characteristic like counting tectonic plates. In the Anglosphere, nobody is actually confused about whether “America” refers to the country or the continents. Canadians don’t appreciate being called Americans, and (in my experience) Mexicans don’t desire it either. If one wants to refer to North and South America together, there’s a perfectly normal way to do so: “the Americas.”

USian, aside from its lack of euphony and its general connotation of being used by know‐it‐all scolds, is particularly silly since the existence of two countries named “United States”—two North American countries named “United States”—means it’s just as ambiguous a country name as “America” is claimed to be.

Even though I consider estadounidense silly (why aren’t people of Estados Unidos Mexicanos considered estadounidense, exactly?), I use it when speaking Spanish, because that’s the way people say “American” in Spanish. I don’t explain to Spanish‐speaking people how ignorant they are for using such a silly, ambiguous word. One wishes the same courtesy were offered in the other direction!

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Post by Snacklive »

layer8 wrote: post #685
selectnull wrote: post #589

Pick your username: Leo That username had already been taken. How about Leo14? Fine.

Social media accounts should really go for Roman numerals.

Twitter used to. My first username was "myusernameXII" cuz i thought it looked cool in one of the suggestions

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by Freedom2 »

EasyMark wrote: post #661
axus wrote: post #144

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They picked an American, who actually lived and worked in Peru, and not archbishop of New York that Trump suggested.

Yep he's more of a citizen of the world than an American, otherwise I don't think he would have ever been considered. It also helps he was held in high regard by Pope Francis.

To be fair, most people around the world could be considered citizens of the world compared to the average American.

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Post by yellow_postit »

pavlov wrote: post #310

In his time around the end of the 19th century, Leo XIII was known as the “Social Pope” and “Pope of the Workers”. He wasn’t a radical but opened the door to modern thinking in the church. Presumably there’s some symbolism to why the new pope wanted to adopt this particular name.

Francis would joke he hoped his successor would be John XXIV. We still get a nice long Roman numeral but could've been even better.

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Post by I-M-S »

asdf6969 wrote: post #622
lupusreal wrote: post #442

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Work on your self hatred and open your mind please. There’s nothing tacky about an American pope. What are you talking about?

I saw someone on the Internet describe it as serving McDonald's at a wedding. I'm not sure snark is warranted, but I don't think it's unfair to say that USA's global image has been greatly reduced.
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