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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by pqtyw »

bobthepanda wrote: post #464
defen wrote: post #398

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What do you mean reinstate? The country was founded by the descendants of people who for the most part hated Catholicism.

Maryland was founded as one of the original colonies as a haven for Catholics. There have always been Catholics in the US, though certainly it has been a bumpy ride; there were questions about how accepted JFK would be as the first Catholic president.

> original colonies as a haven for Catholics.

That didn't last thar long though. Since it was overtaken by Protestants who banned Catholicism (like it was banned in all the other colonies ) in 1689.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by mensetmanusman »

Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe wrote: post #545
mensetmanusman wrote: post #514

“ That the spirit of revolutionary change, which has long been disturbing the nations of the world, should have passed beyond the sphere of politics and made its influence felt in the cognate sphere of practical economics is not surprising. The elements of the conflict now raging are unmistakable, in the vast expansion of industrial pursuits and the marvelous discoveries of science; in the changed relations between m…

Neat thanks. Btw how do you know this?! Have you memorized stuff of all the passed popes?

These are the types of things talked about in small groups near your local cathedral by members of groups like Opus Dei everywhere around the world. All are welcome :)

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Post by Kye »

quesera wrote: post #468
Kye wrote: post #415

Chicago: known for wind, one of the world's largest furry conventions, and the first American pope.

Actually not known for atmospheric wind, but for bloviating in a windy way. With the construction of tall city blocks and the breezes off of Lake Michigan, the atmospheric use has become somewhat more true. No more so than most USAmerican cities though.

This seems to be a matter of some debate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windy_City_(nickname)#Etymolog...

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Post by ImJamal »

mynameisash wrote: post #124
pqtyw wrote: post #95

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Not the New Testament. Christianity has the luxury (compared to some other religions..) of having very few "divinely ordained" rules. The teachings of Jesus supersede the stuff from the Old testament (the one with all not very nice things) however they are rather vague and undefined. So various churches can freely pick/discard almost whatever they want besides the 10 commandments while Muslims can't exactly just thro…

> The teachings of Jesus supersede the stuff from the Old testament (the one with all not very nice things) however they are rather vague and undefined. Except Jesus said that he didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it, and not one stroke of a letter of the law will pass away. So he didn't change anything about slavery, mistreatment of women, etc.

I don't think you understand what that means. There are 3 types of Jewish laws and only one (the moral law) still applies.

You aren't bringing up the moral law.

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Post by dragonwriter »

nashashmi wrote: post #522
taylodl wrote: post #518

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I know many American evangelicals who believe Catholics are not true Christians, and as such, when they're talking about Christians they are not including Catholics in that discussion.

What makes someone an evangelical? Protestant faith?

Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism are distinct and relatively recent (18th and 19th century in origin) strands within Protestantism (both being particularly prominent in the US.) They aren't equivalent to Protestantism.

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Post by thimabi »

jkaplowitz wrote: post #473
joecool1029 wrote: post #317

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He's a sitting head of state now. Even if he violated US law, he's diplomatically immune. One case of it being brought up in the past: https://2009-2017.state.gov/documents/organization/87327.pdf

It's not clear that he is diplomatically immune from US law if he retains his US citizenship. The source you linked was not a case of a US citizen pope. If the pope renounces his US citizenship for the purpose of having diplomatic immunity or treats his acceptance of the papacy as an expatriating act with intent to relinquish citizenship within the meaning of INA §349(a)(4), he would not be inadmissible under the Ree…

At least according to customary international law, a head of state has full sovereign immunity regardless of any nationalities that they might hold. By the way, the immunity covers not only the head of state, but also the head of government and the Secretary of State.

If the Pope were a mere diplomat, his immunities would be restricted to the acts directly related to his job in any country of which he’s a national or permanent resident. That’s because, unlike sovereign immunity, diplomatic immunity is based on a Vienna Convention full of restrictions like that.

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Post by michaelsbradley »

ivape wrote: post #533
taylodl wrote: post #518

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I know many American evangelicals who believe Catholics are not true Christians, and as such, when they're talking about Christians they are not including Catholics in that discussion.

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Post by brudgers »

bbor wrote: post #134
afavour wrote: post #97

> "Cardinal George of Chicago, of happy memory, was one of my great mentors, and he said: 'Look, until America goes into political decline, there won't be an American pope.' And his point was, if America is kind of running the world politically, culturally, economically, they don't want America running the world religiously. So, I think there's some truth to that, that we're such a superpower and so dominant, they do…

For what it’s worth, I was just reading that Leo wasn’t seen as “completely” American due to his many years in Peru — he’s even a citizen. Take that as you will.

I suspect that’s going to be a political talking point sooner, not later.
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