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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by jowea »

ebiester wrote: post #262
jampekka wrote: post #156

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Okay, yes, we get it. But the United States as a name even is not unique to western hemisphere countries - the name of Mexico is "Estados Unidos Mexicanos" - or United Mexican States. We were the first country from the to be recognized by the Western Europeans, and the people at the time didn't anticipate the current situation, so forgive us for having a name in English that is a bit ambiguous, but how many people co…

Europe and Africa don't even connect, but there is a name for Europe and Asia, Eurasia.

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Post by mrlonglong »

davis wrote: post #365
mrlonglong wrote: post #359

He is not a US citizen. He might have been born in the States but he is a fully naturalised citizen of Peru.

Being born in the US means you are a citizen. He holds dual citizenships

I stand corrected.

I'm seeing a lot of shade thrown at the new Pope just for opposing Trump and his policies. Some even go as far as to call him a "woke Marxist Pope". Not very christian.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

“ That the spirit of revolutionary change, which has long been disturbing the nations of the world, should have passed beyond the sphere of politics and made its influence felt in the cognate sphere of practical economics is not surprising.

The elements of the conflict now raging are unmistakable, in the vast expansion of industrial pursuits and the marvelous discoveries of science; in the changed relations between masters and workmen; in the enormous fortunes of some few individuals, and the utter poverty of the masses; the increased self reliance and closer mutual combination of the working classes; as also, finally, in the prevailing moral degeneracy. The momentous gravity of the state of things now obtaining fills every mind with painful apprehension; wise men are discussing it; practical men are proposing schemes; popular meetings, legislatures, and rulers of nations are all busied with it - actually there is no question which has taken deeper hold on the public mind.”

From the last Pope Leo over 100 years ago.

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Post by dragonwriter »

antognini wrote: post #505
pavlov wrote: post #310

In his time around the end of the 19th century, Leo XIII was known as the “Social Pope” and “Pope of the Workers”. He wasn’t a radical but opened the door to modern thinking in the church. Presumably there’s some symbolism to why the new pope wanted to adopt this particular name.

There's also more baggage associated with choosing the name of a very recent predecessor. Choosing Francis II would alienate certain factions in the Church, choosing Benedict XVII or John Paul III would alienate others. Reaching further back in time is more of a signal of unity.

John-Paul II chose his immediate predecessor’s name, and he had combined those of his two most recent predecessors.

The three most recent popes are the longest run of Popes with none choosing the name (counting JPI as choosing both of two recent predecessos) of a recent (one, two, or three back) predecessor since the 1500s.

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Post by SirSavary »

vixen99 wrote: post #439
ok_dad wrote: post #143

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From what I read, the new pope is much like Francis on human rights and political topics, but a bit more conservative about church doctrine. Perhaps it's to have a counterpoint to Trump in America, to show that not all American-born leaders are trash? Time will tell, I suppose.

Here's an oddity: apparently Noam Chomsky doesn't fully agree with you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmSJnuF7_zg

What relevance, in any way, does this hold to the current discussion?

Additionally, Noam refers to Trump's statements from the beginning of the Ukraine war. Trump's position on the matter has done a total 180 since. Why would Noam continue to hold the same view if Trump doesn't?

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Post by ImJamal »

hajile wrote: post #434
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The Bible agrees with your musing as it says bishops are to be be married with kids. Peter (who the Catholics claim as the first Pope) was married as the Bible says Jesus healed his mother-in-law. 1 Timothy 3:1-7 [1] This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. [2] A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospital…

You are clearly taking it out of context (not your fault, translations and commentaries are often bad) because Paul wasn't married and had no kids.

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Post by taylodl »

ivape wrote: post #510
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American Christianity != American Catholicism

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I know many American evangelicals who believe Catholics are not true Christians, and as such, when they're talking about Christians they are not including Catholics in that discussion.

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Post by nashashmi »

ivape wrote: post #510
myvoiceismypass wrote: post #507

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American Christianity != American Catholicism

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Not sure if your vote is a religious thing or a political one. Basically you can vote for a satanist to take over a government. But you are damned if you are a satanist or in govt run by one.

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Post by fakedang »

davidw wrote: post #455
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Symbolism is a huge part of what name you select which is why its been a minute since a Pope Innocent or Pope Pious.

As a YIMBY, I could go for a Pope Urban.

Request understood. Here's an Urban and his massive ironcast cannon.
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