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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Slightly related: the movie "Conclave" (2024) is a great and surprising thriller. Critics consensus from RottenTomatoes:

> Carrying off papal pulp with immaculate execution and career-highlight work from Ralph Fiennes, Conclave is a godsend for audiences who crave intelligent entertainment.

[video trailer] https://youtu.be/JX9jasdi3ic?si=sYwqRlK-4hYUnsAa

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How appropriately disconnected from the church to elect an American.

How so? The U.S. is the third-largest national Catholic population in the world, and it's by far the single largest national contributor to the Church’s global finances. Plus, anything that can bend the arc of U.S. history toward the Catholic missions of social justice and human rights is going to matter more in the next four years than it ever has.

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Okay, yes, we get it. But the United States as a name even is not unique to western hemisphere countries - the name of Mexico is "Estados Unidos Mexicanos" - or United Mexican States. We were the first country from the to be recognized by the Western Europeans, and the people at the time didn't anticipate the current situation, so forgive us for having a name in English that is a bit ambiguous, but how many people co…

> the name of Mexico is "Estados Unidos Mexicanos" - or United Mexican States TIL. That’s funny because afaik Mexicans refer to the USA as “estados unidos”.

Also interestingly "The USA" and "The US" (en_US) both translate to "Los EE. UU." (es_MX, es_ES).

Not to be confused with "The EU" (en_US) which is "La UE" (es_ES).

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Okay, yes, we get it. But the United States as a name even is not unique to western hemisphere countries - the name of Mexico is "Estados Unidos Mexicanos" - or United Mexican States. We were the first country from the to be recognized by the Western Europeans, and the people at the time didn't anticipate the current situation, so forgive us for having a name in English that is a bit ambiguous, but how many people co…

I'd argue that, Vikings aside, it is a bit weird to use the term "America" to describe lands that neither Christopher Columbus nor Americo Vespucci visited in their lifetime.

The USA may have been the first recognized country, but the term "America" was coined much earlier. But I'm a reasonable person - if we really want to keep it as two separate continents, "America" and "North America" works for me.

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For what it’s worth, I was just reading that Leo wasn’t seen as “completely” American due to his many years in Peru — he’s even a citizen. Take that as you will.

I think it was Aristotle who said "Give me a child until his mid-twenties, and I will give you a complete American."

even as a joke of Aristotle living 2,000 years before the United States existed, I don't get the comedic affect

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The prevailing wisdom has been proven wrong on this occasion. He is very much a continuation of Francis's school of thought in spite of the "fat Pope thin Pope" wisdom, and he is an American who has been elected Pope, which was almost unthinkable because of America's economic, political, and mass media domination of the western world. Very unexpected

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I still want to see someone tell a Canadian that the entirety of the Western Hemisphere's land is America, making the Canadian an American.

My money's on the Canadian taking him down in the first round with a right hook.

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OK, but English speakers are under no obligation to follow conventions and vocabulary used by Spanish speakers. Similarly, the Poles, French and English all have their own words for Germany that look nothing like "Deutschland". (The Polish word for Germany is Niemcy. The French word is Allemagne.)

Sure, but the op said "most of the world", which is not true, I gave a counter example.

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But “US” is not an adjective? It’d be like saying “First Brazil Pope elected”

"US Citizens" "US Economy" "US Job Market" "US Military" "US Policy" And many other examples ... But now that I read about it, when you use it as adjective you have to write as "U.S.". If you want to throw the whole argument to the trash because it's missing two dots, well ... up to you.

Well I don’t think much of the OP’s argument. “America”, whether we like it or not, has come to be popularly synonymous with “United States” among English-speaking audience. There’s little risk for ambiguity because Western news agencies almost never use “America” alone when referring to the region or continent — they would say “American continent” or “North/South America”

In 50 years, when the U.S. has decided to call itself something else, then yes, this CNN breaking news headline will be ambiguous. But breaking news writes headlines for its current audience, it’s not meant to be a taxonomically accurate index.

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I hope this Pope recognizes that the only way to lead is a personal martyrdom of self interest.

A true leader must pave the way, not merely point to it. "I must decrease so that my children can increase" in the words of St. John the Baptist and the actions of St. Joseph, who St. Luke calls the father of Jesus, and who is the living image of the father.

St. Joseph's staff only sprouted the life of lilies because it was dead first (Hebrews 9:4, which book the Blessed Virgin Mary probably wrote).

(Also Chicago represent!)

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