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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by aipatselarom »

danso wrote: post #374
moralestapia wrote: post #257

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You are an editor on CNN. A person from the US has been elected as the Pope, you have to come up with a title for this news piece. You have these two options: A) First American Pope elected ... B) First US Pope elected ... A is ambiguous because "American" means a country for 4% of the world and a continent for 96% of the world. Also, the pope that just died happened to be from Argentina, and also happened to be the…

But “US” is not an adjective? It’d be like saying “First Brazil Pope elected”

"US Citizens"

"US Economy"

"US Job Market"

"US Military"

"US Policy"

And many other examples ...

But now that I read about it, when you use it as adjective you have to write as "U.S.".

If you want to throw the whole argument to the trash because it's missing two dots, well ... up to you.

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Post by progbits »

register wrote: post #182
echelon wrote: post #130

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To placate or appeal to the current American leadership? What's the desired outcome? European, NATO, or Ukrainian security guarantees?

To exert political pressure on the current American leadership by influencing the masses and achieve the objectives of the Catholic Church? Have you forgotten what happened with Wojtyła and Solidarność?

Current USA leadership is already taking actions well aligned with the church (such as stripping rights from women, homosexuals).

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Post by Henchman21 »

Boogie_Man wrote: post #75
matthewmacleod wrote: post #62

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Yes, but find a catholic priest who doesn’t share that responsibility.

There are several important American bishops who have made serious strides to protect children. This is an ignorant statement.

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Post by initramfs »

pc86 wrote: post #363
initramfs wrote: post #271

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funny how one downvotes a comment whenever it sounds contrary to the presumed aesthetic.

Commenting on votes is boring (and violates guidelines) but you probably got downvoted because they're talking about "the Catholic aesthetic" which is 100% a thing, and you started responding to "Catholicism is an aesthetic" which is a statement nobody said.

I did not state Catholicism is an aesthetic. I replied to vFunct's comment "vFunct The whole Catholic aesthetic is amazing. Really is the tops." "with religion is more than an aesthetic." An aesthetic is using symbols and atmosphere, architecture, to create a beauty. A religion may use these objects, but also has values that do not depend on them.

Also, another person posted: " echelon "It truly is. As is the Ancient Roman aesthetic. There's a reason why Final Fantasy, Game of Thrones, Lord of the Rings, and many more fantasy series lean heavily into the look and feel."

So people suggesting video games and tv shows, even with lots of violence (particularly GoT) is an "aesthetic", is a lot more shallow than my basic point that religions aren't primarily aesthetic. Maybe you replied to the wrong comment.

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Post by magneticnorth »

Reventlov wrote: post #382

François was born in Buenos Aires, how is that the first american pope ?

At least in (USA) American news sources, "American" means from the USA. Francis was the first pope from the Americas.

See Wikipedia for deeper discussion of the use of the term in English: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_(word)

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Post by fblp »

tptacek wrote: post #346
bbor wrote: post #134

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For what it’s worth, I was just reading that Leo wasn’t seen as “completely” American due to his many years in Peru — he’s even a citizen. Take that as you will.

1955 born (chicago) 1977 seminary grad (chicago) 1982 ordination (->rome) 1985 canon law doctor (->peru) 1999 midwest augustinians (->chicago) 2001 global augustinians (->rome) 2015 bishop (->peru) 2021 dicasterate (->rome)

Seems like he's spent 2 years in the US since he was 27.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by defen »

srameshc wrote: post #351
I_am_tiberius wrote: post #110

I strongly believe the American choice was a strategic decision made by a group of highly intelligent individuals.

Is it possible that this move is to reinstate Catholicism in the United States, given that Evangelicals appear to be gaining influence?

What do you mean reinstate? The country was founded by the descendants of people who for the most part hated Catholicism.

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Post by peterhadlaw »

wkat4242 wrote: post #314
nickthegreek wrote: post #22

"Whereas Francis said, “Who am I to judge?” when asked about gay clerics, Cardinal Prevost has expressed less welcoming views to L.G.B.T.Q. people. In a 2012 address to bishops, he lamented that Western news media and popular culture fostered “sympathy for beliefs and practices that are at odds with the gospel.” He cited the “homosexual lifestyle” and “alternative families comprised of same-sex partners and their ado…

> "Whereas Francis said, “Who am I to judge?” when asked about gay clerics, He also called abortion doctors assassins and described genderideology as "the ugliest danger of our time" (or the 'greatest danger' according to some other sources). He wasn't really all that progressive. Sources: https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2024-03/pope-francis... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/10/pope-francis-c... O…

Idk killing 73 million people actually doesn't make you a hero in my book. 73 million souls, approximately a year.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by lenerdenator »

progbits wrote: post #392
register wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To exert political pressure on the current American leadership by influencing the masses and achieve the objectives of the Catholic Church? Have you forgotten what happened with Wojtyła and Solidarność?

Current USA leadership is already taking actions well aligned with the church (such as stripping rights from women, homosexuals).

On some things.

On others, like social safety nets, rights for migrants (particularly those from Latin America where Leo XIV spent a lot of time), and militarism, the RCC and Trump's GOP are at stark odds.

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