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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by spauldo »

ryandv wrote: post #177
andrepd wrote: post #123

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Francis had a degree in chemistry if I'm not mistaken.

It's a modern rhetorical fallacy that science is directly antithetical to religion, when many of history's greatest scientists were themselves "spiritual" in some way (though that degree of spirituality may have ranged from near-atheistic scientific pantheism a la Einstein and Sagan, to members of the clergy). I am glad there are still numerous counterexamples of those with firm educations in hard STEM fields that st…

The joke was of all the jobs a person might get after attaining a mathematics degree, "pope" usually isn't on the list.

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Post by fearmerchant »

jampekka wrote: post #156
Boogie_Man wrote: post #36

The prevailing wisdom has been proven wrong on this occasion. He is very much a continuation of Francis's school of thought in spite of the "fat Pope thin Pope" wisdom, and he is an American who has been elected Pope, which was almost unthinkable because of America's economic, political, and mass media domination of the western world. Very unexpected

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Post by krapp »

CharlesW wrote: post #324
pluc wrote: post #259

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It kinda has a shitty reputation right now, especially in Europe. This will embolden the clown in Chief and that isn't good for anyone.

It's possible. My take is that a Pope who's relatably "like them" will be more effective at reminding U.S. Catholics that they may need to choose between their faith and Trumpist idolatry.

> My take is that a Pope who's relatably "like them" will be more effective at reminding U.S. Catholics that they may need to choose between their faith and Trumpist idolatry.

I mean... they clearly already have. If Trump supporting Catholics haven't changed their mind by now I don't think an American Pope is going to convince them. And unless we're assuming a third Trump term I don't see what the point would be. The damage has been done.

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dzdt wrote: post #372
tptacek wrote: post #316

Prior to Francis, the last pope we had from a religious order (as opposed to a career diocesan) was Gregory XVI in 1831. Now we've had two religious popes in a row --- Francis, a Jesuit, and then Leo, an Augustinian.

Can you explain this like I'm 5?

You can (sort of) divide Catholic clergy into diocesan priests, who spend their careers managing the clerical hierarchy of a specific region, and religious-order priests, who belong to religious orders within the church --- the Jesuits, Franciscans, Augustinians, Dominicans, etc. The "religious" Clergy are thought to be in some sense less tied up in church politics.

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Post by bee_rider »

dingnuts wrote: post #311
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #285

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> some of more conscientious people in the US are feeling a little awkward about the name these days. So it isn’t surprising that we’d be the ones objecting If the folks who got us into this mess with label obsession move on to something less charged like USian, that’s probably for the net good.

if the language police want to tell Americans what they're allowed to call themselves and expect any actual adoption they had better come up with a better word than "USian". How do you even pronounce that? Oosh-an? But also sure, telling Americans to rename things, that hasn't caused ANY backlash now resulting in the renaming of huge bodies of water to stupid things, keep up the cultural dictates, it's totally workin…

I think ultimately we won’t be able to refer to anything without offending somebody, given how polarized the US is. Of course my side’s backlash is totally reasonable, actually, it is an inevitable response that was caused by the other side trying to force some top-down change via the language police.

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matthewmacleod wrote: post #287
Boogie_Man wrote: post #75

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There are several important American bishops who have made serious strides to protect children. This is an ignorant statement.

It's not, really; the Catholic Church (among most other religious orders) routinely prioritises self-preservation over the safety of children. If we were to use "was in proximity to allegations of child abuse and didn't act on it" as a barometer for who was permitted to ascent to the papacy, we'd have a pretty small pool to choose from.

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Post by wheels »

dzdt wrote: post #372
tptacek wrote: post #316

Prior to Francis, the last pope we had from a religious order (as opposed to a career diocesan) was Gregory XVI in 1831. Now we've had two religious popes in a row --- Francis, a Jesuit, and then Leo, an Augustinian.

Can you explain this like I'm 5?

There are a few different orders within the catholic church with some of their own intellectual, practical and traditional differences. Most popes don't come from any of the orders. The last two popes did. That's historically odd. Francis had been the first one from his order ever, even though it's the largest one.

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Clamchop wrote: post #47
qsort wrote: post #27

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Probably not as spiritually fulfilling, but the stock market would be an example of that happening at sub-second latencies, every day, all day.

I don't think that counts as communicating to people at all, let alone to as many people.

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Post by alabastervlog »

dylan604 wrote: post #178
whynotminot wrote: post #100

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Indeed. You can find yourself in some very frustrating loops, down to the parsing of words back to the original languages they were translated from, when trying to argue the Bible as a sole foundation for literally everything. Source: grew up in churches that tried to do just that.

Memories of using Strong's reference to do this very thing.

OMG I haven't thought about Strong's Concordance in so long. Memory unlocked, haha.

For the (fortunately) uninitiated:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong%27s_Concordance

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