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India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by megous »

lostlogin wrote: post #367
navane wrote: post #337

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I agree with you now, but I also remember everyone, all kinds of experts, saying Putin is just postering. I think it's important to remember that. It is important to note when things are not normal. Putin actually invading Ukraine was a very unexpected move. Unfortunately, we as people are very good at rationalizing after the fact "oh of course this was coming", shrugging our shoulders and just moving on as if nothin…

> Putin actually invading Ukraine was a very unexpected move. Was it? The scale was surprising, but troop build ups were noted ahead of time and Russia had been fighting in Ukraine for many years. Am I misremembering?

Yes, even Russian soldiers were surprised when they were suddenly marching to Ukraine.

Buildups were happening repeatedly in the past under the guise of exercises.

Eg. here tanks and ~80k soldiers in 2018: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/15/world/europe/ukraine-russ...

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by agubelu »

anticodon wrote: post #377
saagarjha wrote: post #349

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So, what is my mistake? When and where existed "Ukraine" before 1991?

Even if your premise was true, which it isn't, do we justify the imperialist invasion of a sovereign state because it was founded after some threshold year?

Countries are not a fact of nature. They change, come and go for a large number of reasons. The Ukrainian people are constituted in a country and have repeatedly expressed they don't wish to be part of Russia. If you want to force them to be at gunpoint, at least be open about it instead of hiding behind a historical pseudo-argument.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by lupusreal »

saagarjha wrote: post #354
dyauspitr wrote: post #281

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Pakistan is not a rational state. The stated sole purpose of their intelligence agency ISI is the destabilization of India. The terrorists are backed, sheltered and armed by the government. There’s a reason bin Laden successfully hid there for so long.

India, of course, has a dual focus.

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Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by nindalf »

ivape wrote: post #80
pokstad wrote: post #71

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Thanks for stating these forecasts so authoritatively. Or maybe we should admit this is uncharted waters and we shouldn't downplay what is possible?

It's also worth pointing out that whatever nonsense the terrorists were on about will now just get reinforced. You could be talking about a more agitated situation with even more terror attacks. This is how bullshit like this escalates. They should have coordinated with Pakistan to run the strikes. I also thought the Ukraine war wasn't "really" going to happen. Humans will human.

> They should have coordinated with Pakistan to run the strikes.

Like when America coordinated with Pakistan to grab Osama? Actually no, they didn't coordinate with Pakistan because the terrorist was being harboured by the Pakistani military. Coordinating would have had the same effect as tipping the terrorist off and letting him escape.

Your comment assumes that Pakistan doesn't view harbouring and training terrorists as a legitimate way to conduct their foreign policy.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by ponector »

anticodon wrote: post #344
hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #333

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The competition to Putin entering Ukraine is obviously ridiculous. Putin had already attacked multiple countries before. Georgia, Chechnya, and leads a vast network of para militaries that are fighting all over Africa as well. Heck, Putin had literally attacked and conquered a whole area of Ukraine itself not even a decade ago. Anyone who was saying Putin would not attack Ukraine either had no knowledge at all about…

> Putin had already attacked multiple countries before. Georgia, Chechnya As always, westerners leave in an information bubble. Chechnya was always a part of Russia. It was a civil war. Ukraine was always a part of Russia until 1991, btw, there was never a separate country called "Ukraine" before 1991 - you can easily find that even in Western history books, although I'm sure they'll be rewritten in some way soon, if…

Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania were always part of "Russia". Would you suggest they should be invaded as soon as Ukraine is fully occupied?

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by wqaatwt »

anticodon wrote: post #344
hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #333

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The competition to Putin entering Ukraine is obviously ridiculous. Putin had already attacked multiple countries before. Georgia, Chechnya, and leads a vast network of para militaries that are fighting all over Africa as well. Heck, Putin had literally attacked and conquered a whole area of Ukraine itself not even a decade ago. Anyone who was saying Putin would not attack Ukraine either had no knowledge at all about…

> Putin had already attacked multiple countries before. Georgia, Chechnya As always, westerners leave in an information bubble. Chechnya was always a part of Russia. It was a civil war. Ukraine was always a part of Russia until 1991, btw, there was never a separate country called "Ukraine" before 1991 - you can easily find that even in Western history books, although I'm sure they'll be rewritten in some way soon, if…

> there was never a separate country called "Ukraine" before 1991

By your standards there was no separate country called Russia between 1918 and 1991. So how is this different?

Also absurd argument. There was no country called Belgium until the 1830s. So what?

> So this distortion of reality works the other way round

So your justification for distorting reality is that other people are allegedly doing that so it’s fine for you to engage in that as well?

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Post by saagarjha »

unmole wrote: post #390
saagarjha wrote: post #375

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Fascism is the actions you take, not how much of a majority you have.

> Fascism is the actions you take Losing a majority after a decade in power seems like the opposite of what a fascist regime would do.

Again, fascism can take a lot of forms. Just because you're not hitting every single manifestation doesn't mean it's not fascism. I mean, here in the US Trump lost the 2020 election, then picked up a majority again and is currently doing some pretty fascist stuff.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by saagarjha »

lupusreal wrote: post #404
saagarjha wrote: post #354

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India, of course, has a dual focus.

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I have faith in both countries to figure things out and am willing to condemn them when they mess up. But that's related to my point, anyway, I was half-joking that India can't have Pakistan as its sole focus because it has China on its other border to care about too.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by wqaatwt »

ponector wrote: post #406
anticodon wrote: post #344

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> Putin had already attacked multiple countries before. Georgia, Chechnya As always, westerners leave in an information bubble. Chechnya was always a part of Russia. It was a civil war. Ukraine was always a part of Russia until 1991, btw, there was never a separate country called "Ukraine" before 1991 - you can easily find that even in Western history books, although I'm sure they'll be rewritten in some way soon, if…

Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania were always part of "Russia". Would you suggest they should be invaded as soon as Ukraine is fully occupied?

Yes, that’s literally what these people are saying.

Russia is allegedly entitled to own half of Europe due to some deranged reasons. Everyone who disagrees with that is supposedly a nazi or something similar.

The concept of hypocrisy is entirely foreign and incomprehensible to anyone who honestly supports Russian imperialism..

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