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India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

kumarvvr wrote: post #142
nblgbg wrote: post #61

I believe it's mostly overstated. Pakistan is not economically strong enough to participate in a war, and India is not interested either. However, the Modi government wants to project strength. They were unable to locate the terrorists even after two or three weeks and needed a distraction. So, they targeted some areas in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK). In response, Pakistan claimed to have shot down four Indian air…

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There isn't proof that this terrorist attack was directed by Pakistan. The terrorists themselves haven't been caught. India also supports terrorists in Pakistan (like the BLA who took hostages on a train a few months back), allegedly.

There's no morally superior actor here, unfortunately.

EDIT: There are many other strange things about the parent comment like why are you upset about the word "militant" instead of "terrorist"? They are functionally synonyms. What militant group isn't a terrorist group? And why is it opposite calling the BJP Hindu nationalist? It is a term they themselves coined and use to describe themselves??

EDIT 2: the original commenter is using a very cleverly edited clip from a different time period to support his claims. But watch the full clip and judge for yourselves. He is clearly referring to training the Afghan Mujahideen 3 decades ago, who the US also supported in the Soviet-Afghan War: https://youtube.com/shorts/lkO8fR4vlgA

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by rfrey »

screye wrote: post #79
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there is some real potential for escalation due to the suspension of the Indus Waters Treaty Neither side wants peace. But neither side wants to commit military manoeuvre that secures strategic aims. So we get this defence sale wet dream of a forever war instead.

India wants peace. A peaceful India threatens Pakistan's entire existence as a military state. Therefore, Pakistan keeps instigating with outrageously cruel terrorist attacks. There are no strategic goals here. Either side may recover some vantage points high up in the Himalayas. But that's about it.

Every country wants peace, as long as it's on their terms.

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Post by greatwhitenorth »

nblgbg wrote: post #61

I believe it's mostly overstated. Pakistan is not economically strong enough to participate in a war, and India is not interested either. However, the Modi government wants to project strength. They were unable to locate the terrorists even after two or three weeks and needed a distraction. So, they targeted some areas in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK). In response, Pakistan claimed to have shot down four Indian air…

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Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by [deleted] »

alephnerd wrote: post #133
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #126

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> What you are advocating would lead to Yugoslav style ethnic cleansing Yes. When you have a sectarian conflict, the only lasting solution is moving people around. Hateful people don’t learn to stop hating each other. Particularly not when you’re dealing with the levels of education in J&K. > It already is that on the LoC, or mountain faces where rivers are not existent And. Having a river with a sectarian cross isn’…

> Yes. When you have a sectarian conflict, the only lasting solution is moving people around. Hateful people don’t learn to stop hating each other. Jammu Division is an entirely separate ethnic community (Pahari) from that in Kashmir Division (Koshur). Even during the worst of the partition and the Indo-Pak Wars, the mountain areas where active fighting was occurring never saw the same kind of religious violence you'…

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Post by adamnemecek »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #167
bluefirebrand wrote: post #84

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"suddenly" Poland refused to negotiate on a land bridge to East Prussia and a compromise on Danzig governance because daddy Britain said they didn't have to. Germany's brutality was not justified, but it's not as if it happened suddenly.

It is sudden as it was an overreaction.

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Post by kumarvvr »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #171
kumarvvr wrote: post #142

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There isn't proof that this terrorist attack was directed by Pakistan. The terrorists themselves haven't been caught. India also supports terrorists in Pakistan (like the BLA who took hostages on a train a few months back), allegedly. There's no morally superior actor here, unfortunately. EDIT: There are many other strange things about the parent comment like why are you upset about the word "militant" instead of "te…

> There isn't proof that this terrorist attack was directed by Pakistan

Their defense minister admitted to it a few days ago to a Western Media channel.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

alephnerd wrote: post #133
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What you are advocating would lead to Yugoslav style ethnic cleansing Yes. When you have a sectarian conflict, the only lasting solution is moving people around. Hateful people don’t learn to stop hating each other. Particularly not when you’re dealing with the levels of education in J&K. > It already is that on the LoC, or mountain faces where rivers are not existent And. Having a river with a sectarian cross isn’…

> Yes. When you have a sectarian conflict, the only lasting solution is moving people around. Hateful people don’t learn to stop hating each other. Jammu Division is an entirely separate ethnic community (Pahari) from that in Kashmir Division (Koshur). Even during the worst of the partition and the Indo-Pak Wars, the mountain areas where active fighting was occurring never saw the same kind of religious violence you'…

> leadership making decisions for conflicts on or around the LoC are not from these regions

The people in the region are pretty much irrelevant, one can successfuly model the conflict as a proxy war between New Delhi and Islamabad. Their interests are particular to the borders in the region, namely, access to waterm, China and the other side's Kashmir.

> ways to resolve the problem longer term, and that requires forcing professionalization of the Pakistani Armed Forces and cajoling India back to the negotiating table using the carrot and the stick. Similar precedent already exists with the Israel-Egypt peace accords under Sadat

This is a solution from a different era. The current borders are unstable and thus unsustainable. Between proxy forces and the militarisation of the South China Sea, we're kicking the can down the road until someone acts decisively.

The game theory is that kicking the can down the road works for both sides. There isn't a pressing need for peace between India and Pakistan, just not nuclear conflict. And that's achieved with a Korean Peninsula-esque stalemate. The problem is either side gaining an advantage resolves the issue, and the later that happens the more destructive the resolution would be. (Think: Pakistan gaining top-of-the-line Sino-Russian missile defence.) And both sides know that ex ante. So we have a prisoner's dilemma without the common enemy (and common ally) that animated Tel Aviv and Cairo.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #140
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #102

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> People said the same sorts of things when Germany suddenly invaded Poland Hell, look at HN on the eve of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. One of the top comments was essentially a dismissal from Kherson edited to an "oh shit."

You can only edit for a maximum of 2 hours on HN, so not sure how that happened.

> You can only edit for a maximum of 2 hours on HN, so not sure how that happened

Because in two hours it went from being "mostly overstated," Ukraine being "not economically strong enough to participate in a war" for a long duration and that Russia being "not interested either," to holy shit the mad king is mad.

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vFunct wrote: post #111
dd_xplore wrote: post #101

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