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India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by hackandthink »

postingawayonhn wrote: post #90
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Pakistan is not economically strong enough to participate in a war, and India is not interested Proxy war between U.S. and China. We’re moving the naval assets that were bombing the Houthis. India seizing Pakistan-administered Kashmir cuts Islamabad off from China.

The US isn't interested in picking sides. Historically it has tried to be friendly with both (though that hasn't always been easy).

"However, Pakistan was a valuable diplomatic partner, and its government helped the United States achieve a rapprochement with the People’s Republic of China in the early 1970s."

"U.S. prestige was damaged in both nations, in Pakistan for failing to help prevent the loss of East Pakistan and in India for supporting the brutality of the Pakistani regime’s actions"

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1969-1976/south-asia

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by bdangubic »

huevosabio wrote: post #130
su8898 wrote: post #128

A few months ago, I stopped reading random news and decided to stick only to Hacker News. But now, even Hacker News is filled with random content. I guess there's no escaping the news these days.

I logged odd Twitter and can only access it through an eink device. I am much saner now. I really enjoy reading the community here chime in on current events, but I also lament that I can't shield my online consumption from the news.

HN is the easiest place to skip the content you are not interest in

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by alephnerd »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #126
alephnerd wrote: post #115

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> involves swapping land, specifically, ceding Muslim-dominant territory to Pakistan The sectors on the Indian side where fighting is happening right now in Jammu Division are 50-50 Muslim-Hindu/Sikh. What you are advocating would lead to Yugoslav style ethnic cleansing. > setting borders along rivers It already is that on the LoC, or mountain faces where rivers are not existent.

> What you are advocating would lead to Yugoslav style ethnic cleansing Yes. When you have a sectarian conflict, the only lasting solution is moving people around. Hateful people don’t learn to stop hating each other. Particularly not when you’re dealing with the levels of education in J&K. > It already is that on the LoC, or mountain faces where rivers are not existent And. Having a river with a sectarian cross isn’…

> Yes. When you have a sectarian conflict, the only lasting solution is moving people around. Hateful people don’t learn to stop hating each other.

Jammu Division is an entirely separate ethnic community (Pahari) from that in Kashmir Division (Koshur).

Even during the worst of the partition and the Indo-Pak Wars, the mountain areas where active fighting was occurring never saw the same kind of religious violence you'd see in neighboring Kashmir or Punjabi speaking areas like Jammu City or Mirpur City.

This would be solving a non-existent problem, as the leadership making decisions for conflicts on or around the LoC are not from these regions.

And btw, the Indian and Pakistani army did attempt that when my grandmother was a child, but it didn't stick and people from one side or the other would just cross back - and this was the norm until the 1980s.

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There are ways to resolve the problem longer term, and that requires forcing professionalization of the Pakistani Armed Forces and cajoling India back to the negotiating table using the carrot and the stick. Similar precedent already exists with the Israel-Egypt peace accords under Sadat, and would have happened under Bajwa, Nawaz Sharif, or Musharraf if they weren't undermined.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by krainboltgreene »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #102
bluefirebrand wrote: post #84

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> People said the same sorts of things when Germany suddenly invaded Poland Hell, look at HN on the eve of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. One of the top comments was essentially a dismissal from Kherson edited to an "oh shit."

Putin is a particularly deranged type of fascist though, much like Bush, who is okay making the poor calculation of a Ukrainian invasion for the benefit of a wartime economy. Even German ambassadors in Ukraine were caught off guard having to leave that night.

Modi is a different type of beast, he's a long term political power that doesn't need a wartime economy, and is still establishing his internal power. He's going to have to deal with the insane SS brigade he's fostered eventually. Also while Putin and others thought that Ukraine would fall like Afghanistan (quickly), zero people think that Pakistan is going anywhere within this eon. While it's not the graveyard of empires, it's definitely the hospice.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by lazyeye »

slt2021 wrote: post #89
sandspar wrote: post #81

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The Pakistan-India conflict is orthogonal to America and China's.

It is useful for the US to isolate China from Iranian oil resources. Currently Iranian oil can go via Pakistan to China. Thats how Us operates: exploits old conflicts for its own immediate benefit, like it did with Ukr-Rus war. If some people die on both side it is acceptable for the Us, because these are not Us citizens dying

It doesn't matter what it is, or where it's happening in the world, some people will always make it about the US. Always. It's tiresome.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by Apocryphon »

su8898 wrote: post #128

A few months ago, I stopped reading random news and decided to stick only to Hacker News. But now, even Hacker News is filled with random content. I guess there's no escaping the news these days.

Talking about armed brinksmanship between two nuclear powers is sooooo random, maybe a more specialized community like they have on Reddit is more your speed?

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by dmix »

MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #27
alephnerd wrote: post #25

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Overstated. There isn't any long term locking capabilities on most rivers under the IWT. The only one India is messing with is the Chenab, and only because it messes up Pakistan's Rice and Sugar exports (major forex provider for Pakistan, and the supply chain is heavily owned by Pakistan's MilBus). Kharif sowing season ends in a couple weeks so messing with the Chenab for 3-4 weeks is enough to destroy the rice harve…

I hope you are right, however: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Waters_Treaty#Suspension Following the suspension of the treaty, India significantly reduced the flow of water through the Chenab River, which crosses into Pakistan. Pakistani authorities claimed a 90% drop in water supply and accused India of choking the river’s flow. India also initiated new hydroelectric projects and began constructing dams on the…

Just sounds like a good deterrence for Pakistan to not go to war to me. It really is in their hands right now.

India just wants to save face over the terror attacks, a very easy game to play diplomatically. This missile strike was even smaller and more symbolic than even the Israeli Iranian ones. And those two are much more inclined (and far more prepared) to do something stupid.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by SanjayMehta »

dang wrote: post #75
SanjayMehta wrote: post #46

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Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. These are fraught issues and we need to be flexible with each other.

Please don’t allow such posts on HN at all; they belong on X

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by IAmGraydon »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #102
bluefirebrand wrote: post #84

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> People said the same sorts of things when Germany suddenly invaded Poland Hell, look at HN on the eve of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. One of the top comments was essentially a dismissal from Kherson edited to an "oh shit."

You can only edit for a maximum of 2 hours on HN, so not sure how that happened.
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