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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is useful for the US to isolate China from Iranian oil resources. Currently Iranian oil can go via Pakistan to China. Thats how Us operates: exploits old conflicts for its own immediate benefit, like it did with Ukr-Rus war. If some people die on both side it is acceptable for the Us, because these are not Us citizens dying
> Thats how Us operates: exploits old conflicts for its own immediate benefit, like it did with Ukr-Rus war. This is realpolitik 101, and every powerful society does it. Like, India didn't help sever Bangladesh f/k/a East Pakistan from Islamabad because it was being nice. (I'm not saying every society exploits every old conflict. Just that if you need to do something, you start with extant fault lines. Like, if you'r…
I can understand seizing opportunities in situations like this, however I cannot support instigating and creating these situations in the first place.
https://m.economictimes.com/news/defence/pakistans-defence-m...
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
Overstates the power China has over the Pakistani Military. Pakistan has built close ties with Turkiye as well to provide a redundancy along with spare parts for older American/NATO weaponry, along with some leverage when dealing with the Chinese. If anyone has the power to force both to the negotiating table, it's the UAE and KSA due economic and military ties with India and Pakistan. It was both that negotiated the…
> Overstates the power China has over the Pakistani Military. China has been building Chinese-only gated company towns in Pakistani military properties for a couple of years now.
China has been building Chinese-only gated company towns in Pakistani military properties
OK. Now I'm a bit skeptical as well.
I mean, the Chinese have been building Chinese-only gated company towns in [insert global south nation here] military [and everywhere else] properties for a long time now. Not really sure how that translates into Chinese authoritative decision making in matters of wars between nations?
For that you need massive financial underwriting of a military. Far greater than 50%. No disrespect to the Chinese, but I'm sorry, there is no nation in the world where a few gated communities will get you that level of influence. I don't care how important you think you are.
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India wants peace. A peaceful India threatens Pakistan's entire existence as a military state. Therefore, Pakistan keeps instigating with outrageously cruel terrorist attacks. There are no strategic goals here. Either side may recover some vantage points high up in the Himalayas. But that's about it.
> India wants peace Not really. There are options for a negotiated peace that involves swapping land, specifically, ceding Muslim-dominant territory to Pakistan and setting borders along rivers. That's anathema in India because there is broad-based antipathy towards Islamabad, historically, and Muslims, recently.
> involves swapping land, specifically, ceding Muslim-dominant territory to Pakistan
The sectors on the Indian side where fighting is happening right now in Jammu Division are 50-50 Muslim-Hindu/Sikh. What you are advocating would lead to Yugoslav style ethnic cleansing.
> setting borders along rivers
It already is that on the LoC, or mountain faces where rivers are not existent.
Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir
#116I believe it's mostly overstated. Pakistan is not economically strong enough to participate in a war, and India is not interested either. However, the Modi government wants to project strength. They were unable to locate the terrorists even after two or three weeks and needed a distraction. So, they targeted some areas in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK). In response, Pakistan claimed to have shot down four Indian air…
Thanks for stating these forecasts so authoritatively. Or maybe we should admit this is uncharted waters and we shouldn't downplay what is possible?
These are actually well charted waters - people are shooting at each other and some fairly high percentage of the time everything calms down but the rest of the time it escalates crazily with both sides losing control. Situation as old as time, long rich history of provocative military action.
I observe from time to time that Moscow appears to be under fire from the occasional US-sponsored attack for example. So far, so good. Most of the time things don't go terribly wrong, just the worst case scenarios here are quite grim. The India-Pakistan situation is probably a bit safer because anything catastrophic is likely to just kill millions/billions of people in India and Pakistan instead of an entire hemisphere of carnage.
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The Pakistan-India conflict is orthogonal to America and China's.
> Pakistan-India conflict is orthogonal to America and China's India is negotiating trade deals and weapons purchases with the West. (Historically, Moscow was its security source.) Pakistan got some F-16s in 2022, but otherwise has been deepending ties with Beijing. It's wild to suggest America's cold war with China is orthogonal to this conflict.
Ask a random Indian in India whether he'd be willing to die for the US. The US and China have interests in the area, so maybe I shouldn't have said the word "orthogonal". But the original commenter said a conflict between India and Pakistan would be a "US-China proxy war". Come on. India and Pakistan have enough reasons to hate each other. They don't need America or China's goading. And neither India nor Pakistan would accept their conflict being characterized as a US-China war.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Are your sources mostly Indian sources? Do you think those are somehow less biased than whatever sources I use? Also you can check my post history if you really want to, I always call out "we are just fighting terror" arguments. But still, I hope you realize that what India sees as terrorism in this case (which means Kashmiri separatism, which again I agree is mostly a Pakistani funded thing) is very tied to Indian n…
I said I'll refrain from replying in this post anymore (apologies dang) but I'll just close it with this at the risk doxxing myself as I may have mentioned the following in another forum.
> But India would never recognize any form of separatism (peaceful or violent) from the Kashmir anyways, and will label it as terrorism anyways regardless
It was never limited to within kashmir. Other parts of India were also attacked over the years.
> But still, I hope you realize that what India sees as terrorism in this case (which means Kashmiri separatism, which again I agree is mostly a Pakistani funded thing) is very tied to Indian nationalism.
> since terror is defined as anything that goes against national unity.
I don't care or subscribe to how Indian or western media defines terrorism. If you see yourselves as freedom-fighter deal with the supposed occupying military force not its citizens. For me terrorism is just any deliberate attack aimed to harm innocent civilians.
I've missed becoming a victim of terror attack that killed atleast 40 people because I was late by mere 15 mins. It took long time to recover from that "What If". No citizen should fear stepping out in their own country. That is what terrorism is for me.
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> Pakistan is not economically strong enough to participate in a war, and India is not interested Proxy war between U.S. and China. We’re moving the naval assets that were bombing the Houthis. India seizing Pakistan-administered Kashmir cuts Islamabad off from China.
The US isn't interested in picking sides. Historically it has tried to be friendly with both (though that hasn't always been easy).
Historic policies don't apply to the current administration. It's really anybody's guess at this point what the US would do if this conflict ratchets up significantly.