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This constant redefinition of what AGI means is really tiring. Until an AI has agency, it is nothing but a fancy search engine/auto completer.
> Until an AI has agency, it is nothing but a fancy search engine/auto completer. Stepping back for a moment - do we actually want something that has agency?
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If you are a materialist, the laws of physics are the problem. But to speak plainly, Musk is a complex figure, frequently problematic, and he often exacts a tool on the people around him. Part of this is attributable to his wealth, part to his particulars. When he goes into "demon mode", to use Walter Isaacson's phrase, you don't want to be in his way.
> If you are a materialist, the laws of physics are the problem. I'm a citizen, the laws of politics are the problem. > Musk is a complex figure Hogwash. He's greedy. There's nothing complex about that. > and he often exacts a tool on the people around him Yea it's a one way transfer of wealth from them to him. The _literal_ definition of a "toll." > When he goes into "demon mode" When he decides to lie, cheat and st…
> lionize: give a lot of public attention and approval to (someone); treat as a celebrity: modern athletes are lionized.
Where in my comment do I lionize Musk?
Please calm down. Please try to be charitable and curious rather than accusatory towards me.
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AGI would mean something which doesn't need direction or guidance to do anything. Like us humans, we don't wait for somebody to give us a task and go do it as if that is our sole existence. We live with our thoughts, blank out, watch TV, read books etc. What we currently have and possibly in the next century as well will be nothing close to an actual AGI. I don't know if it is optimism or delusions of grandeur that d…
I think there's a useful distinction that's often missed between AGI and artificial consciousness. We could conceivably have some version of AI that reliably performs any task you throw at it consistently with peak human capabilities, given sufficient tools or hardware to complete whatever that task may be, but lacks subjective experience or independent agency; I would call that AGI. The two concepts have historicall…
It is not hard to imagine a "cooking robot" as a black box that — given the appropriate ingredients — would cook any dish for you. Press a button, say what you want, and out it comes.
Internally, the machine would need to perform lots of tasks that we usually associate with intelligence, from managing ingredients and planning cooking steps, to fine-grained perception and manipulation of the food as it is cooking. But it would not be conscious in any real way. Order comes in, dish comes out.
Would we use "intelligent" to describe such a machine? Or "magic"?
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It's doubtful if there even is a race anymore. The last significant AI advancement in the consumer LLM space was fluent human language synthesis around 2020, with its following assistant/chat interface. Since then, everything has been incremental — larger models, new ways to prompt them, cheaper ways to run them, more human feedback, and gaming evaluations. The wisest move in the chatbot business might be to wait and…
Saying LLMs have only incrementally improved is like saying my 13 year old has only incrementally approved over the last 5 years. Sure, it's been a set of continuous improvements, but that has taken it from a toy to genuinely insanely useful. Personally, deep research and o3 have been transformative, taking LLMs from something I have never used to something that I am using daily. Even if the progress ends up plateaui…
Why are you still pretending anything is going to come out of this?
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AI companies are already automating huge swaths of document analysis, customer service. Doctors are straight up using ChatGPT to diagnose patients. I know it’s fun to imagine AI is some big scam like crypto, but you’d have to be ignoring a lot of genuine non hype economic movement at this point to assume GAI isn’t making any money. Why does the forum of an incubator that now has a portfolio that is like 80% AI so rou…
When the wright brothers made their plane they didn't expect today that there are thousands of planes flying at a time. When the Internet was developed they didn't imagine the world wide Web. When cars started to get popular people still thought there would be those who are going to stick with horses. I think you're right on the AI we're just on the cusp of it and it'll be a hundred times bigger than we can imagine.…
Even five years into this "AI revolution," the boosters haven't been able to paint a coherent picture of what AI could reasonably deliver – and they've delivered even less.
There's really nothing "open" about this company. If they want to be, then: (1) be transparent about exactly which data was collected for the model (2) release all the source code If you want to benefit humanity, then put it under a strong copyleft license with no CLA. Simple.
Arguments by semantics are always tiresome.
SamA is in a hurry because he's set to lose the race. We're at peak valuation and he needs to convert something now . If the entrenched giants (Google, Microsoft and Apple) catch up - and Google 100% has, if not surpassed - they have a thousand levers to pull and OpenAI is done for. Microsoft has realized this, hence why they're breaking up with them - Google and Anthropic have shown they don't need OpenAI. Galaxy ph…
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It's doubtful if there even is a race anymore. The last significant AI advancement in the consumer LLM space was fluent human language synthesis around 2020, with its following assistant/chat interface. Since then, everything has been incremental — larger models, new ways to prompt them, cheaper ways to run them, more human feedback, and gaming evaluations. The wisest move in the chatbot business might be to wait and…
Saying LLMs have only incrementally improved is like saying my 13 year old has only incrementally approved over the last 5 years. Sure, it's been a set of continuous improvements, but that has taken it from a toy to genuinely insanely useful. Personally, deep research and o3 have been transformative, taking LLMs from something I have never used to something that I am using daily. Even if the progress ends up plateaui…
If every major player had an AI option, i'm just not understanding how because OpenAi moved first or got big first, the hugely massively successful companies that did the same thing for multiple decades don't have the same advantage?
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> If you are a materialist, the laws of physics are the problem. I'm a citizen, the laws of politics are the problem. > Musk is a complex figure Hogwash. He's greedy. There's nothing complex about that. > and he often exacts a tool on the people around him Yea it's a one way transfer of wealth from them to him. The _literal_ definition of a "toll." > When he goes into "demon mode" When he decides to lie, cheat and st…
> Why do you strain so hard to lionize this behavior? > lionize: give a lot of public attention and approval to (someone); treat as a celebrity: modern athletes are lionized. Where in my comment do I lionize Musk? Please calm down. Please try to be charitable and curious rather than accusatory towards me.
You attribute to personality what should be attributed to malice. You do this three times.
> Please calm down
I am perfectly calm.
> Please try to be charitable and curious rather than accusatory towards me.
In attempting to explain why my point of view has been misunderstood by you I also attempted to find a reason for it. I do not think my explanation makes you a bad person nor do I think you should be particularly confronted by it.
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I feel like, if nothing else, this new wave of AI products is rapidly demonstrating the lack of faith people have in their own intelligence -- or maybe, just the intelligence of other human beings. That's not to say that this latest round of AI isn't impressive, but legions of apologists seem to forget that there is more to human cognition than being able to regurgitate facts, write grammatically-correct sentences, a…
> legions of apologists seem to forget that there is more to human cognition than being able to regurgitate facts, write grammatically-correct sentences, and solve logical puzzles To be fair, there is a section of the population whose useful intelligence can roughly be summed up as that or worse.
- Processing visual data and classifying objects within their field of vision.
- Processing auditory data, identifying audio sources and filtering out noise.
- Maintaining an on-going and continuous stream of thoughts and emotions.
- Forming and maintaining complex memories on long-term and short-term scales.
- Engaging in self-directed experimentation or play, or forming independent wants/hopes/desires.
I could sit here all day and list the forms of intelligence that humans and other intelligent animals display which have no obvious analogue in an AI product. It's true that individual AI products can do some of these things, sometimes better than humans could ever, but there is no integrated AGI product that has all these capabilities. Let's give ourselves a bit of credit and not ignore or flippantly dismiss our many intelligent capabilities as "useless."