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Evolving OpenAI's Structure

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Re: Evolving OpenAI's Structure

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Post by tyg13 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #324
henryfjordan wrote: post #300

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> AGI would mean something which doesn't need direction or guidance to do anything. Like us humans, ... Name me a human that also doesn't need direction or guidance to do a task, at least one they haven't done before

> Name me a human that also doesn't need direction or guidance to do a task, at least one they haven't done before Literally everything that's been invented.

I feel like, if nothing else, this new wave of AI products is rapidly demonstrating the lack of faith people have in their own intelligence -- or maybe, just the intelligence of other human beings. That's not to say that this latest round of AI isn't impressive, but legions of apologists seem to forget that there is more to human cognition than being able to regurgitate facts, write grammatically-correct sentences, and solve logical puzzles.

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Post by asadotzler »

schlch wrote: post #223
fs111 wrote: post #161

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Google is one of the most valuable brands ever. Everyone knows it. It is even used for "searching the web" openai is not that strong of a brand

I think for the general public ChatGPT is a much stronger brand than OpenAI itself.

Google is a far bigger brand than ChatGPT and OpenAI combined.

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Post by asadotzler »

nfRfqX5n wrote: post #143
jjani wrote: post #107

SamA is in a hurry because he's set to lose the race. We're at peak valuation and he needs to convert something now . If the entrenched giants (Google, Microsoft and Apple) catch up - and Google 100% has, if not surpassed - they have a thousand levers to pull and OpenAI is done for. Microsoft has realized this, hence why they're breaking up with them - Google and Anthropic have shown they don't need OpenAI. Galaxy ph…

ask 10 people on the street about chatgpt or gemini and see which one they know

Ask them about Google or OpenAI and...

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Post by asadotzler »

jimbokun wrote: post #235
kranke155 wrote: post #150

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thats just brand recognition. The fact that people know Coca Cola doesnt mean they drink it.

It doesn’t? That name recognition made Coca Cola into a very successful global corporation.

About 95% of people know the Coca Cola brand, about 70% of soda drinkers in the US drink one of its sodas, and about 40% of all people in the US drink it.

Knowing and using are not the same thing.

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Post by xpe »

jampekka wrote: post #305
softwaredoug wrote: post #302

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Democratic AI but we don’t want it regulated by any democratic process

I wonder if democracy is some kind of corporate speech homonym of some totally different concept I'm familiar with. Perhaps it's even an interesting linguistic case where a word is a homonym of its antonym? Edit: also apparently known as contronym.

"democratize" has been often abused: https://intage.us/articles/words/democratize/

Re: Evolving OpenAI's Structure

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Post by kvetching »

Night_Thastus wrote: post #74
lanthissa wrote: post #65

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AGI can't really be a winner take all market. The 'reward' for general intelligence is infinite as a monopoly and it accelerates productivity. Not only is there infinite incentive to compete, but theres decreasing costs to. The only world in which AGI is winner take all is a world in which it is extremely controlled to the point at which the public cant query it.

Nothing OpenAI is doing, or ever has done, has been close to AGI.

Please, keep telling people that. For my sake. Keep the world asleep as I take advantage of this technology which is literally General Artificial Intelligence that I can apply towards increasing my power.

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Post by Muromec »

root_axis wrote: post #403
brookst wrote: post #378

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There are people who can’t drive cars. Are they not general intelligence? I think we need to separate the thinking part of intelligence from tool usage. Not everyone can use every tool at a high level of expertise.

Generally speaking, anyone can learn to use any tool. This isn't true of generative AI systems which can only learn through specialized training with meticulously curated data sets.

>can only learn through specialized training with meticulously curated data sets.

but so do I!

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Post by throwaway48476 »

phreeza wrote: post #79
atlasunshrugged wrote: post #13

I think this is one of the most interesting lines as it basically directly implies that leadership thinks this won't be a winner take all market: > Instead of our current complex capped-profit structure—which made sense when it looked like there might be one dominant AGI effort but doesn’t in a world of many great AGI companies—we are moving to a normal capital structure where everyone has stock. This is not a sale,…

That is a very obvious thing for them to say though regardless of what they truly believe, because (a) it legitimizes removing the cap , making fundraising easier and (b) averts antitrust suspicions.

(b) is true but no so much (a). If investors thought it would be winner take all and they thought ClosedAI would win they'd invest in ClosedAI only and starve competitors of funding.

Re: Evolving OpenAI's Structure

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Post by throwaway48476 »

kvetching wrote: post #447
Night_Thastus wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing OpenAI is doing, or ever has done, has been close to AGI.

Please, keep telling people that. For my sake. Keep the world asleep as I take advantage of this technology which is literally General Artificial Intelligence that I can apply towards increasing my power.

Every tool is a technology than can increase ones power.
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