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Evolving OpenAI's Structure

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Re: Evolving OpenAI's Structure

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Imagine having a mission of “ensure[ing] that artificial general intelligence (AGI) benefits all of humanity” while also believing that it can only be trusted in the hands of the few

> A lot of people around OpenAI in the early days thought AI should only be in the hands of a few trusted people who could “handle it”.

Re: Evolving OpenAI's Structure

#132

I think this is one of the most interesting lines as it basically directly implies that leadership thinks this won't be a winner take all market: > Instead of our current complex capped-profit structure—which made sense when it looked like there might be one dominant AGI effort but doesn’t in a world of many great AGI companies—we are moving to a normal capital structure where everyone has stock. This is not a sale,…

> I think this is one of the most interesting lines as it basically directly implies that leadership thinks this won't be a winner take all market: Yeah; and: We want to open source very capable models. Seems like nary a daylight between DeepSeek R1, Sonnet 3.5, Gemini 2.5, & Grok3 really put things in perspective for them!

Not to mention, @Gork, aka Grok 3.5...

Re: Evolving OpenAI's Structure

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post #107

SamA is in a hurry because he's set to lose the race. We're at peak valuation and he needs to convert something now . If the entrenched giants (Google, Microsoft and Apple) catch up - and Google 100% has, if not surpassed - they have a thousand levers to pull and OpenAI is done for. Microsoft has realized this, hence why they're breaking up with them - Google and Anthropic have shown they don't need OpenAI. Galaxy ph…

Sounds a lot like "Google+ will catch Facebook in no time".

OpenAI has been on a winning streak that makes ChatGPT the default chatbot for most of the planet.

Everybody else like you describe is trying to add some AI crap behind a button on a congested UI.

B2B market will stay open but OpenAI has certainly not peaked yet.

Re: Evolving OpenAI's Structure

#134

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AGI can't really be a winner take all market. The 'reward' for general intelligence is infinite as a monopoly and it accelerates productivity. Not only is there infinite incentive to compete, but theres decreasing costs to. The only world in which AGI is winner take all is a world in which it is extremely controlled to the point at which the public cant query it.

Nothing OpenAI is doing, or ever has done, has been close to AGI.

Agreed and, if anything, you are too generous. They aren’t just not “close”, they aren’t even working in the same category as anything that might be construed as independently intelligent.

Re: Evolving OpenAI's Structure

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post #130

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are you aware of worldcoin? altman building a centralised authority of who will be classed as "human" is about as authoritarian as you could get

Worldcoin is opt-in, which is the opposite of authoritarian. Nobody who doesn’t like it is required to participate.

it's always opt-in until it isn't

Re: Evolving OpenAI's Structure

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Hopelessly over-idealistic premise. Sama and pg have never been anything other than opportunistic muck. This will be my last ever comment on HN.

I feel this so hard, I think this may be my last time using the site as well. They don't care about advancement, they only care about money.

Like everything, it's projection. Those who loudly scream against something are almost always the ones engaging in it.

Google screamed against service revenue and advertising while building the world's largest advertising empire. Facebook screamed against misinformation and surveillance while enabling it on a global scale. Netflix screamed against the overpriced cable TV industry while turning streaming into modern overpriced cable television. Uber screamed against the entrenched taxi industry harming workers and passengers while creating an unregulated monster that harmed workers and passengers.

Altman and OpenAI are no different in this regard, loudly screaming against AI harming humanity while doing everything in their capacity to create AI tools that will knowingly harm humanity while enriching themselves.

If people trust the performance instead of the actions and their outcomes, then we can't convince them otherwise.

Re: Evolving OpenAI's Structure

#137

I see OpenAI's original form as the last gasp of a kind of liberal tech; in a world where "doing good" was seen as very important, the non-profit approach made sense and got a lot of people on board. These days the Altmans and the pmarcas of the world are much more comfortable expressing their authoritarian, self-centered world views; the "evolving" structure of Open AI is fully in line with that. They want to be the…

Hopelessly over-idealistic premise. Sama and pg have never been anything other than opportunistic muck. This will be my last ever comment on HN.

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Re: Evolving OpenAI's Structure

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post #133
post #107

SamA is in a hurry because he's set to lose the race. We're at peak valuation and he needs to convert something now . If the entrenched giants (Google, Microsoft and Apple) catch up - and Google 100% has, if not surpassed - they have a thousand levers to pull and OpenAI is done for. Microsoft has realized this, hence why they're breaking up with them - Google and Anthropic have shown they don't need OpenAI. Galaxy ph…

Sounds a lot like "Google+ will catch Facebook in no time". OpenAI has been on a winning streak that makes ChatGPT the default chatbot for most of the planet. Everybody else like you describe is trying to add some AI crap behind a button on a congested UI. B2B market will stay open but OpenAI has certainly not peaked yet.

Most of the planet doesn’t use chat bots at all.

Re: Evolving OpenAI's Structure

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post #133
post #107

SamA is in a hurry because he's set to lose the race. We're at peak valuation and he needs to convert something now . If the entrenched giants (Google, Microsoft and Apple) catch up - and Google 100% has, if not surpassed - they have a thousand levers to pull and OpenAI is done for. Microsoft has realized this, hence why they're breaking up with them - Google and Anthropic have shown they don't need OpenAI. Galaxy ph…

Sounds a lot like "Google+ will catch Facebook in no time". OpenAI has been on a winning streak that makes ChatGPT the default chatbot for most of the planet. Everybody else like you describe is trying to add some AI crap behind a button on a congested UI. B2B market will stay open but OpenAI has certainly not peaked yet.

Facebook had immense network effects working for it back then.

What network effect does OpenAI have? Far as I can tell, moving from OpenAI to Gemini or something else is easy. It’s not sticky at all. There’s no “my friends are primarily using OpenAI so I am too” or anything like that.

So again, I ask, what makes it sticky?

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