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Re: Suno v4.5

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Aren't they still in active lawsuit with Sony etc about training on music without license? Yet still releasing new products? I guess they are hoping for the Uber outcome where they earn enough money during the illegal phase so they can pay some tiny fine and keep going.

lawsuitS with Sony, Universal, and Warner Music, indeed. And the RIAA. and the GEMA.

Re: Suno v4.5

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post #97

The fact that LLMs compute an average of human culture is more apparent in music AIs than any other medium. You cannot get these things to do anything original, same as with images, designs and creative writing—and it's not an "intelligence" problem. I'm not sure if this is solvable, but I think it should be a bigger research topic. If anyone knows of any papers on this, I haven't found one yet (not sure what to sear…

This raises deep questions: What even is creativity? How does taste emerge? Is it just the accumulation of your experiences and your genetics, or is there something else to it? If it's just experiences and genetics, AI will probably outpace humans at some point, because these are just very sophisticated patterns. And if it's not, we would have to assume something metaphysical, for which we do not have evidence. This…

I like this take. if LLMs = average of human culture like tern said, then taste = the ability to create and recognize the above average (and best), right?

can AI recognize what is best? can AI create what is recognized as best?

(you know how vast majority of humans think they are above average drivers?)

Re: Suno v4.5

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A more simpler realization after playing around with the music player on the home page -- being able to skip tracks and sample a large variety of music tracks without any ads in between -- was pleasantly surprising!

Everytime I clicked next I was subsconsciously cringing and expecting an unwelcome and jarring ad to blast through my speakers - and each time releived to actually be greeted by the next music track.

What have we done to ourselves.

It only feels like yesterday that the default was hoarding all your favourite tracks and playing them at will through winamp.

Re: Suno v4.5

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post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

fair use requires it be non-profit which doesnt work for suno

I don’t think that’s true. Parodies are protected as transformative fair use and plenty of them are for-profit.

you're right it's a grey area, but in the field of music specifically, it's some of the most stringent requirements. the more creative it is, the more it replaces the market for the original, the less of a parody it is (not weird al), the more you will struggle to use fair use as a defense. suno generating music hits all the parts of "this is hard to defend" while also being in the the most litigious possible industry for fair use

Re: Suno v4.5

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Excited to see Suno's model advance. We use it for rock vocals (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Zi0KXpSuQeQ) because nobody in my band can sing. We do all the music and layer the vocals on top from the Suno-generated stems. All things considered, it's been great. We have, however, run through the "range" of rock vocalists. Suno must be under a bit of pressure to generate vocals that don't sound too much like any real singers that themselves are not derivative.

Re: Suno v4.5

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The mood here is as notoriously cynical as I would expect from HN. Yeah, let's all brush this tech off as unoriginal, uninspiring and bland. Let's all tell ourselves that music requires that 'special human touch' or audiences will become bored, unimpressed and uninterested. But I'll bet you anything, the average ear won't care. This music is already as good as what's produceable by humans, and will be available for a…

> The mood here is as notoriously cynical as I would expect from HN. Yeah, let's all brush this tech off as unoriginal, uninspiring and bland.

On the contrary, this comment is peak HN. The reverse take that a machine eating human art and creativity and selling the interpolated derivatives back to you after laundering it from royalties is a common good.

> Let's all tell ourselves that music requires that 'special human touch' or audiences will become bored, unimpressed and uninterested.

Ah those pesky humans, as opposed to corporate subscription-based content farms as the certified non-cynical happy future of music & art.

> This music is already as good as what's produceable by humans

It’s about as good as everything else generated with AI, like say a large code base. If you can’t tell, congrats.

Re: Suno v4.5

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post #234

The real potential of tools like Suno isn’t in cranking out radio-ready hits. It’s in creating music that doesn't have commercial incentives to exist. Case in point: Functional Music. I started using it to generate songs that reinforce emotional regulation strategies -things like grounding, breathwork, staying present. Not instructional tracks, which would be unbearable, but actual songs with lyrics that reflect actu…

This and other subsequent tales have to be some of the most soulless and depressing misuses of other people’s collective IP. Utterly disparaging to see it applauded.

IP is a legal fiction created by capitalists to territorialize creativity.

Re: Suno v4.5

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The real potential of tools like Suno isn’t in cranking out radio-ready hits. It’s in creating music that doesn't have commercial incentives to exist. Case in point: Functional Music. I started using it to generate songs that reinforce emotional regulation strategies -things like grounding, breathwork, staying present. Not instructional tracks, which would be unbearable, but actual songs with lyrics that reflect actu…

Huge yes to this

A friend recently made a simple app/site where he can pick the bpm of the music (he likes running listening to 180bpm), then see a bunch of songs and create a quick playlist he can load on Spotify with 1 click and go running

That got me thinking it would be cool to use suno/ai to create activity-specific songs, like songs about/for running or biking, or studying, or working, or painting. Instead of trying to curate popular hit songs to fit the task

Re: Suno v4.5

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The real potential of tools like Suno isn’t in cranking out radio-ready hits. It’s in creating music that doesn't have commercial incentives to exist. Case in point: Functional Music. I started using it to generate songs that reinforce emotional regulation strategies -things like grounding, breathwork, staying present. Not instructional tracks, which would be unbearable, but actual songs with lyrics that reflect actu…

I used Suno to generate rap versions of Feynman's first lecture. It turned out really well! https://suno.com/playlist/d2886382-bcb9-4d6d-8d7a-78625adcbe...

Amazing idea. I can hardly stand audio books, and some musical updressing might completely change that. Having a beat to it just makes it so much more fun/engaging/digestible/memorable. Kids are already taught their ABCs using songs for that reason. Why stop there, if all sorts of material could easily be put in that form? Honestly it could revolutionize teaching.
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