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Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by yuuu »

corlinp wrote: post #159
kelseyfrog wrote: post #91

The real potential of tools like Suno isn’t in cranking out radio-ready hits. It’s in creating music that doesn't have commercial incentives to exist. Case in point: Functional Music. I started using it to generate songs that reinforce emotional regulation strategies -things like grounding, breathwork, staying present. Not instructional tracks, which would be unbearable, but actual songs with lyrics that reflect actu…

I used Suno to generate rap versions of Feynman's first lecture. It turned out really well! https://suno.com/playlist/d2886382-bcb9-4d6d-8d7a-78625adcbe...

> we will see something similar to what is shown in Fig. 1–1

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by kermatt »

corlinp wrote: post #159
kelseyfrog wrote: post #91

The real potential of tools like Suno isn’t in cranking out radio-ready hits. It’s in creating music that doesn't have commercial incentives to exist. Case in point: Functional Music. I started using it to generate songs that reinforce emotional regulation strategies -things like grounding, breathwork, staying present. Not instructional tracks, which would be unbearable, but actual songs with lyrics that reflect actu…

I used Suno to generate rap versions of Feynman's first lecture. It turned out really well! https://suno.com/playlist/d2886382-bcb9-4d6d-8d7a-78625adcbe...

This is a brilliant idea. It been a very long time since I wanted to listen to a lecture.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by brookst »

computerdork wrote: post #149
brookst wrote: post #118

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I’m only an occasional hobbyist, but I am super excited for how AI can empower me to write ideas I want, but which are beyond my ability and / or not possible using normal tools. I really think we’ll see a revolution in music theory once it’s easy to incorporate microtonal, multi-tempo, and other crazy stuff. Also as we can blur the line between instrument and audio; why can’t my piano morph into an organ over the co…

I do agree with you about AI music powering a revolution - it really creates some amazing music and it's still early in the technology - But for us musicians who studied literally decades to learn all these techniques (harmony, counterpoint, music form, polyrhythms, piano, partimento...), it's painful to see that others can create a piece of music in seconds which took us a lifetime to learn how to do (I write mainly…

100% agreed. But I think it is like any other revolution that pushes human creativity to a higher level of abstraction.

Someone on HN, don’t remember who, made the observation that some artists mistake mastery of tools for the art, whereas artists who focus on the actual art can roll with changes to the tools.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by brookst »

cardanome wrote: post #135
brookst wrote: post #116

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There’s not one right way you art. . . Plenty of artists like Warhol and Dali used mass production and automation. If you enjoy writing music your way, great. But I strongly disagree that it’s a mistake to enable people to approach it differently.

I actually used to have the exact same position when stable diffusion came out. All my artists friends where criticizing it and I was thinking it was some form of Neo-Ludditism that they were following. Why not embrace progress? No one is stopping them to not use it but if it helps lower the barrier of entry isn't that great? Surely generative AI could be used to enhance of the workflow of an artist? Oh, how I have b…

I see the argument but can’t agree. To me it feels like pining for all of the lost typist jobs when word processors appeared.

Artists aren’t entitled to a job any more than I am; to the extent they (or I) do work that is easily replaced, by AI or offshoring or anything, that’s a career risk.

Those same tools enable artists to be more productive, more creative, more capable. The people suffering are those who are attached to the tools they learned with. We in tech know that’s a bad long term idea, and it is surprising in the arts. But on the whole, human creativity and overall output of great art will benefit from this change.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by zvitiate »

vunderba wrote: post #150
zvitiate wrote: post #102

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Yup. My favorite genre by FAR is baroque. High quality recordings are not as wide as you’d expect, and no one’s really pumping out new baroque. V4.5 is noticeably better, even if the model shows the real “plagiaristic” aspect. Still, I’m excited about the product. The composer could probably use some chain of thought if it doesn’t already, and plan larger sequences and how they relate to each other. Suno is also prob…

I've mentioned it before on HN, but Sid Meier worked on an application called (appropriately enough) CPU Bach for the 3DO that would algorithmically generate endless contrapuntal music all the way back in 1994. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.P.U._Bach

Ohhh this looks very cool. Thank you for sharing! Will dive into this over the weekend.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by neom »

It's gotten really good, I had it produce a track with double vocal harmonies as I instructed, it can also do echo and stuff now. I'm kinda annoyed that to try to remove the crispness they've just put dampening on it, it sounds... damp now... I'd take bright over damp.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by XenophileJKO »

tern wrote: post #151
bongodongobob wrote: post #100

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Any musician will tell you most music isn't original. You just don't have the ear for it. You telling me Green Day's songs are all unique and original? Even jazz uses 6-2-5-1's over and over. Unless you only listen to avante garde prog rock or something, all of music is derivative. And that's ok. Every song being a unique snowflake isn't important. If you like it or it makes you feel something, that's all that matter…

Green Day (was) definitely original. The level of unoriginality I'm talking about goes way beyond "pop music is the same old chords from the 50s" or "the 70s were the golden age and everything since then is derivative." What's the basis for this? Unfortunately it's hard to describe, but I've listened to a wide variety of popular and niche genres my whole life with a specific eye toward appreciating all the different…

If you think song and image generators can't make creative things, the problem is between the seat and keyboard. It is unfortunately that simple. 4o as an image generator can create out of distribution images because it literally works at a conceptual level.

Suno currently is limited architecturally to in distribution components, so trying to create instruments or vocal styles it never heard won't work. The parts that you can work in are a vast and rich creative space.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

AI has killed my desire to write and make music. It all feels so pointless

I increasingly feel like withdrawing from the internet as well. Half of the users are bots anyway

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

jppope wrote: post #32

Love the site, and impressed by what they generated there. With that said... I'm starting to feel like music might be the last thing to be affected by Generative AI. I IV V with different accents over the music and different drum sounds is fine, but thats not really music. It's pretty bad when you can pick out the chords progression in 5 sec. Cue the infamous 4-chord song skit by Axis of Awesome.

It’s not replacing the music I listen to, but its definitely capable of replacing the random music I hear on the radio
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