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Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by natdempk »

brookst wrote: post #120
natdempk wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

v4.5 is a lot better at adherence with detailed descriptions! Still not totally adherent, but if you can steer it with genre, detailed descriptions of genre, and elements of the genre it's way better than v4. Some descriptions work better than others so there's some experimentation to figure out what works for what you're trying to achieve. You can also provide descriptions in [brackets] in the lyrics that work reaso…

Please make noise internally that the product desperately needs a tutorial and a prompting guide! It’s amazing if you hang out on Discord and spend a lot of time learning, but people just sitting down with it have no idea how to use it.

Duly noted, thanks for the feedback.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by echelon »

ignu wrote: post #79
arnaudsm wrote: post #20

The biggest impact Generative Music had on my life was for wedding skits. Families that wanted a funny song about the bride filled with anecdotes didn't need talent anymore. The first time I heard it, it was incredible. The 2nd wedding that did it, it started to feel boring. The 3rd time, everyone hated it. Similar to image-generation, we're getting tired really fast of cookie-cutter art. I don't know how to feel abo…

AI art is like dreams. I'm amused by my own but never want to hear about anyone else's.

> AI art is like dreams. I'm amused by my own but never want to hear about anyone else's.

I don't know. Scrolling the Sora image generations feed is pretty fun.

It's got trendy memes, lots of mashups, and cool art. They've also managed to capture social media outrage bait on the platform: conservatives vs. liberals, Christians vs. atheists, and a whole other host of divisive issues that are interspersed throughout the feed. I think they have a social media play in the bag if they pursue it.

It feels like Sora could replace Instagram.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by currydove »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #115
linotype wrote: post #105

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Would you mind making these available to others?

Sure! I "re-mastered" my mini-album with v4.5 since that's more in the spirit of the discussion. https://suno.com/playlist/e6c3f3d1-a746-4106-bea1-e36073d227... Side note: It feels a little vulnerable to be sharing these. They genuinely helped me through difficult times and I wasn't really expecting anyone else to ever listen to them.

These are beautiful. Thank you so much

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by k1musab1 »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #115
linotype wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you mind making these available to others?

Sure! I "re-mastered" my mini-album with v4.5 since that's more in the spirit of the discussion. https://suno.com/playlist/e6c3f3d1-a746-4106-bea1-e36073d227... Side note: It feels a little vulnerable to be sharing these. They genuinely helped me through difficult times and I wasn't really expecting anyone else to ever listen to them.

Thank you for sharing these, I will try listening on my drive to work.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by killerstorm »

I'd be a lot more interested in AI which can take existing music as the base. I don't want a new song, I want to hear music I love in a new way. Like img2img but track2track.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by dumpsterdiver »

If anyone is interested in the difference between "AI slop" and something with a couple thousand credits into it, here's my #soundseasons entry (I don't expect to place; the end needs work I didn't have the energy for (and I mean even if I did...)):

# Original record scratch contest-style song https://suno.com/s/8MvZmfkDPIPmKLtm

And this is a good example how the "magic" is lost in a cover of that same contest entry with no attempt to curate:

# v4.5 cover https://suno.com/s/KyCZZNn6PpL4JHbO

Here's another one I put a bit of time into, but with a much simpler structure. What I appreciated about the original were the emotions it stirred up when the notes came together just-so:

# Original ambient synth https://suno.com/s/JtmmbdA2VtgO4drK

New cover, pretty decent but it lost what I liked the most (haven't had great luck with v4.5 remasters yet, but I do a lot of weird things):

# v4.5 cover https://suno.com/s/Gi8wy1QjUaHmYNKy

# Original piano piece https://suno.com/s/yj8rHRRgJEWD83GY

# v4.5 remaster https://suno.com/s/Xx5Y5SNl1MdDrLsO

When you ignore the stuff that humans shouldn't get credit for - e.g. I didn't "make" this song, or play any part in its "production", but I did "curate" it - there's still something left to give credit for, right? It's basically like a DJ digging through a mysterious crate of records.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by [deleted] »

killerstorm wrote: post #145

I'd be a lot more interested in AI which can take existing music as the base. I don't want a new song, I want to hear music I love in a new way. Like img2img but track2track.

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Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by fennecbutt »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #91

The real potential of tools like Suno isn’t in cranking out radio-ready hits. It’s in creating music that doesn't have commercial incentives to exist. Case in point: Functional Music. I started using it to generate songs that reinforce emotional regulation strategies -things like grounding, breathwork, staying present. Not instructional tracks, which would be unbearable, but actual songs with lyrics that reflect actu…

Yup, give us a tool and we'll use it. I've mostly used it for meme songs.

But I really think they've made a mistake with direction, realistically it should've been trained on tracker files, and build somgs via the method (but generate the vocals,individual instrument sounds for midi, obvs).

I think the quality would be higher since the track can be "rendered" out essentially, but also only then would it be a useful tool for actual musicians, to be able to get a skeleton file (mod, etc) for a song built up that they can then tweak and add a human touch to.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by computerdork »

brookst wrote: post #118
computerdork wrote: post #72

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Agreed, am a musician too, and especially for popular music, AI music is as complex and often indistinguishable from music created by humans. Kind of sad, especially for composers (which I am trying to be). Ah well, can only keep moving forward.

I’m only an occasional hobbyist, but I am super excited for how AI can empower me to write ideas I want, but which are beyond my ability and / or not possible using normal tools. I really think we’ll see a revolution in music theory once it’s easy to incorporate microtonal, multi-tempo, and other crazy stuff. Also as we can blur the line between instrument and audio; why can’t my piano morph into an organ over the co…

I do agree with you about AI music powering a revolution - it really creates some amazing music and it's still early in the technology - But for us musicians who studied literally decades to learn all these techniques (harmony, counterpoint, music form, polyrhythms, piano, partimento...), it's painful to see that others can create a piece of music in seconds which took us a lifetime to learn how to do (I write mainly classical music and it was a punch in the gut when I first heard Udio's classical music generation. Very impressive - sigh).

An no disrepect towards anyone using AI to create music, it is here and unstoppable, but I don't currently use generative AI in music myself. Yeah, think for performed works for a live audience (at least in classical music), most people want to hear music composed by humans (for the most part). Hopefully, will stay this way for awhile, otherwise, I've been going down a road that goes nowhere. Ah well, wouldn't be the first time:)

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by vunderba »

zvitiate wrote: post #102
kelseyfrog wrote: post #91

The real potential of tools like Suno isn’t in cranking out radio-ready hits. It’s in creating music that doesn't have commercial incentives to exist. Case in point: Functional Music. I started using it to generate songs that reinforce emotional regulation strategies -things like grounding, breathwork, staying present. Not instructional tracks, which would be unbearable, but actual songs with lyrics that reflect actu…

Yup. My favorite genre by FAR is baroque. High quality recordings are not as wide as you’d expect, and no one’s really pumping out new baroque. V4.5 is noticeably better, even if the model shows the real “plagiaristic” aspect. Still, I’m excited about the product. The composer could probably use some chain of thought if it doesn’t already, and plan larger sequences and how they relate to each other. Suno is also prob…

I've mentioned it before on HN, but Sid Meier worked on an application called (appropriately enough) CPU Bach for the 3DO that would algorithmically generate endless contrapuntal music all the way back in 1994.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.P.U._Bach

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