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Re: Suno v4.5

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The real potential of tools like Suno isn’t in cranking out radio-ready hits. It’s in creating music that doesn't have commercial incentives to exist. Case in point: Functional Music.

I started using it to generate songs that reinforce emotional regulation strategies -things like grounding, breathwork, staying present. Not instructional tracks, which would be unbearable, but actual songs with lyrics that reflect actual practice and skills.

It started as a way to help me decompress after therapy. I'd listen to a mini-album I made during the drive home. Eventually, I’d catch myself recalling a lyric in stressful moments elsewhere. That was the moment things clicked. The songs weren’t just a way for me to calm down on the way home, they were teaching me real emotional skills I could use in all parts of my life. I wasn’t consciously practicing mindfulness anymore; it was showing up on its own. Since then I’ve been iterating, writing lyrics that reflect emotional-cognitive skills, generating songs with them, and listening while I'm in the car. It's honestly changed my life in a subtle but deep way.

We already have work songs, lullabies, marching music, and religious chants - all music that serves a purpose besides existing to be listened to. Music that exists to teach us ways of interacting is a largely untapped idea.

This is the kind of functional application is what generative music is perfect for. Song can be so much more than listening to terminally romantic lyricists trying to speak to the lowest common denominator. They can teach us to be better versions of ourselves.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Aren't they still in active lawsuit with Sony etc about training on music without license? Yet still releasing new products? I guess they are hoping for the Uber outcome where they earn enough money during the illegal phase so they can pay some tiny fine and keep going.

AFAIK the lawsuit is still ongoing. Suno admitted to train their models with copyrighted music and are now defending the position that music copyrights and royalties are bad for the future of music.

I think it's more straightforward to argue it's transformative fair use.

Re: Suno v4.5

#93

Aren't they still in active lawsuit with Sony etc about training on music without license? Yet still releasing new products? I guess they are hoping for the Uber outcome where they earn enough money during the illegal phase so they can pay some tiny fine and keep going.

I hope no songwriters have listened to Sony music or they could be in trouble.

Re: Suno v4.5

#94

One of Suno's biggest weakness is their lyrics generation, and that you can't generate lyrics without also generating a song. I think it's better to use a different LLM to generate and iterate on lyrics, which you can then pass to Suno in order to generate a final song. If anyone here has a subscription and they can spare the tokens, I think it would be fun if someone shared a song about Hacker News. I'm hoping that…

Their biggest weakness is that every voice has a persistent synthy quality, like it's a vocaloid it's being sung into one of those tinny microphone toys for kids. I find Udio has much more natural-sounding vocals.

Re: Suno v4.5

#95
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I mean there is a Cursor integration for Ableton Live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXSImhfS15k Plus Ableton Live itself has a lot of generative tools these days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RNXVfo-oLc But I honestly don't see the point. The journey is the whole point when making music or any art really. AI doesn't solve a problem here. There never has been one in the first place. There is more music out ther…

Generative tools and AI are great for finding inspiration. Same as using presets (which many do still think is "cheating" despite everyone doing it). Ultimately all listeners care about is the end result, not how it was made.

There wouldn't be a point in seeing artists play live if people only cared about the end result.

Listening to the studio mix on my headphones at home will always be better sound than being in a crowded concert.

I mean you are right to a certain degree, if it works, it works and if generative tools inspire you to make better music that is great. I am not so sure about that though.

I am forced to vibe code at work and it has not make me more creative. Is has made me want to quit my job.

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#96

"I want AI to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for AI to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes."

If you enjoy doing art and writing then great, AI will never take that from you. If it's your job, then it can take some of the load from you so you can go do things you enjoy.

Re: Suno v4.5

#97
The fact that LLMs compute an average of human culture is more apparent in music AIs than any other medium. You cannot get these things to do anything original, same as with images, designs and creative writing—and it's not an "intelligence" problem.

I'm not sure if this is solvable, but I think it should be a bigger research topic. If anyone knows of any papers on this, I haven't found one yet (not sure what to search for).

Re: Suno v4.5

#98
post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generative tools and AI are great for finding inspiration. Same as using presets (which many do still think is "cheating" despite everyone doing it). Ultimately all listeners care about is the end result, not how it was made.

There wouldn't be a point in seeing artists play live if people only cared about the end result. Listening to the studio mix on my headphones at home will always be better sound than being in a crowded concert. I mean you are right to a certain degree, if it works, it works and if generative tools inspire you to make better music that is great. I am not so sure about that though. I am forced to vibe code at work and…

Artists playing live is the end result though. If anything, the fact that people go to see Katy Perry in concert and not Max Martin, or how Tiesto is still a massive festival draw despite everyone knowing he's used ghost producers for 2 decades, are great examples of how little people care about the process of music being made versus the end result.

I'm not saying you need to use generative tools, but if it helps you make music you should do it. Ultimately what you're sharing with the world is your taste, not your technical abilities. To slightly expand on a famous quote in the music world -

> I thought using AI was cheating, so I used loops. I then thought using loops was cheating, so I programmed my own using samples. I then thought using samples was cheating, so I recorded real drums. I then thought that programming it was cheating, so I learned to play drums for real. I then thought using bought drums was cheating, so I learned to make my own. I then thought using premade skins was cheating, so I killed a goat and skinned it. I then thought that that was cheating too, so I grew my own goat from a baby goat. I also think that is cheating, but I’m not sure where to go from here. I haven’t made any music lately, what with the goat farming and all.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Suno is way more than that. Listen to the jazz tags or something, you're being way over dismissive here.

But why would I ever want to listen something generated by someone else when I can just generate infinite amount of the same stuff myself?

Because it sounds good, you can do both.

Re: Suno v4.5

#100
post #97

The fact that LLMs compute an average of human culture is more apparent in music AIs than any other medium. You cannot get these things to do anything original, same as with images, designs and creative writing—and it's not an "intelligence" problem. I'm not sure if this is solvable, but I think it should be a bigger research topic. If anyone knows of any papers on this, I haven't found one yet (not sure what to sear…

Any musician will tell you most music isn't original. You just don't have the ear for it. You telling me Green Day's songs are all unique and original? Even jazz uses 6-2-5-1's over and over. Unless you only listen to avante garde prog rock or something, all of music is derivative. And that's ok. Every song being a unique snowflake isn't important. If you like it or it makes you feel something, that's all that matters.
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