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Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by mjr00 »

mrandish wrote: post #76

Personally, I have little interest in typing a text prompt and getting a complete song as an output. However, I will gladly pay serious money for a tool that interactively collaborates with me in a granular, iterative process of generating, adjusting and mixing individual instruments and sections toward a finished multi-track song project. Allow users to creatively engage by providing suggested starting places in the…

Honestly I don't think Suno knows who's supposed to be using their product. There's valid use cases for typing a text prompt and getting a song with zero fuss: background music in YouTube videos or corporate training videos, intro music for events (Starcraft fans know the ASL has been abusing Suno songs for a few seasons now), an AI-generated playlist running in the background in a cafe, etc. But those use cases don't seem worth too much, when you consider that music was effectively already free--you can hop onto Soundcloud and filter by Creative Commons and there's an unlimited number of songs you can use for these cases.[0] It remains to be seen how big the market for content creators who would actually pay for AI-generated songs rather than just pull CC tracks from Soundcloud is.

So then there's the casual end-user who's making music for themselves to listen to. IMO this is largely a novelty that hasn't worked out. I haven't heard many people regularly listen to Suno because, again, music is already incredibly cheap. Spotify is ~$15/month and it gives you access to the Beatles and Rolling Stones. The novelty of AI-generated "Korean goa psytrance 2-step" is fun for a bit, but how much will people pay for it, how many, and for how long?

I do think there's a lot of potential targeting musicians who incorporate AI-generated elements in their songs. (Disclaimer: I am a musician who has been using vocal synths for many years, and have started incorporating AI-generated samples into my workflows.) However as you point out, the functionality needed for Suno to work here is very different from the "write prompt, get fully complete song" use case.

It'll be interesting to see where it goes from here. In general, AI-based tooling does appear to be pivoting more towards "tools for creators" rather than "magic button that produces content", so I'm hopeful.

[0] One notable one is the artist "009 Sound System", who had a bunch of CC-licensed tracks that became popular due to YouTube's music swapping feature; since the list was sorted alphabetically, their tracks ended up getting used in a ton of videos and gaining popularity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Perls#YouTube

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by asar »

ignu wrote: post #79
arnaudsm wrote: post #20

The biggest impact Generative Music had on my life was for wedding skits. Families that wanted a funny song about the bride filled with anecdotes didn't need talent anymore. The first time I heard it, it was incredible. The 2nd wedding that did it, it started to feel boring. The 3rd time, everyone hated it. Similar to image-generation, we're getting tired really fast of cookie-cutter art. I don't know how to feel abo…

AI art is like dreams. I'm amused by my own but never want to hear about anyone else's.

I love this analogy.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by esafak »

arnaudsm wrote: post #20

The biggest impact Generative Music had on my life was for wedding skits. Families that wanted a funny song about the bride filled with anecdotes didn't need talent anymore. The first time I heard it, it was incredible. The 2nd wedding that did it, it started to feel boring. The 3rd time, everyone hated it. Similar to image-generation, we're getting tired really fast of cookie-cutter art. I don't know how to feel abo…

Feel great: humans value creativity, and novelty.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by drabbiticus »

bobajeff wrote: post #24

I had not known that this was AI until reading the comments here. I was really enjoying the 'anti-folk big band' station. Now I'm sure that's just a nonsense genre but that nonsense was more enjoyable than the stuff I've found on Spotify. I'm not sure what that says about me or the state of music but I did not expect it to be this capable yet.

The music that Suno generates as anti-folk is pretty aesthetic, but when you read into what anti-folk is meant to be as a genre, I can't help but feel that an AI algorithm spitting out music and lyrics is pretty far from anti-commercial ethos espoused by the antifolk movement.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by dumpsterdiver »

Mockapapella wrote: post #65
natdempk wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can do a lot more detailed prompts with v4.5 than previously and instructions in [brackets] also go a long way now.

Could you elaborate on the instructions in brackets part?

Brackets such as [Verse] help provide waveform separation in the edit view so that you can easily edit that section without manually dragging the slider.

Others such as [Interrupt] will provide a DJ-like fade-out / announcement (that was , next up..." / fade-in - providing an opportunity to break the AI out of repetitive loops it obsesses about.

I've used [Bridge] successfully, and [Instrumental] [No vocals] work reliably as well (there are also instrumental options, but I still use brackets out of habit I guess).

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by cardanome »

mrandish wrote: post #76

Personally, I have little interest in typing a text prompt and getting a complete song as an output. However, I will gladly pay serious money for a tool that interactively collaborates with me in a granular, iterative process of generating, adjusting and mixing individual instruments and sections toward a finished multi-track song project. Allow users to creatively engage by providing suggested starting places in the…

I mean there is a Cursor integration for Ableton Live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXSImhfS15k

Plus Ableton Live itself has a lot of generative tools these days:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RNXVfo-oLc

But I honestly don't see the point. The journey is the whole point when making music or any art really. AI doesn't solve a problem here. There never has been one in the first place. There is more music out there than you could ever listen to. Automating something humans deeply enjoy is misguided.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by NexRebular »

bongodongobob wrote: post #54
jppope wrote: post #32

Love the site, and impressed by what they generated there. With that said... I'm starting to feel like music might be the last thing to be affected by Generative AI. I IV V with different accents over the music and different drum sounds is fine, but thats not really music. It's pretty bad when you can pick out the chords progression in 5 sec. Cue the infamous 4-chord song skit by Axis of Awesome.

Suno is way more than that. Listen to the jazz tags or something, you're being way over dismissive here.

But why would I ever want to listen something generated by someone else when I can just generate infinite amount of the same stuff myself?

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by mjr00 »

cardanome wrote: post #87
mrandish wrote: post #76

Personally, I have little interest in typing a text prompt and getting a complete song as an output. However, I will gladly pay serious money for a tool that interactively collaborates with me in a granular, iterative process of generating, adjusting and mixing individual instruments and sections toward a finished multi-track song project. Allow users to creatively engage by providing suggested starting places in the…

I mean there is a Cursor integration for Ableton Live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXSImhfS15k Plus Ableton Live itself has a lot of generative tools these days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RNXVfo-oLc But I honestly don't see the point. The journey is the whole point when making music or any art really. AI doesn't solve a problem here. There never has been one in the first place. There is more music out ther…

Generative tools and AI are great for finding inspiration. Same as using presets (which many do still think is "cheating" despite everyone doing it). Ultimately all listeners care about is the end result, not how it was made.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by cardanome »

cynicalpeace wrote: post #70

I have a hypothesis that AI music and other arts will not take off. My reasoning is that the fact that it was made by another human is really important. Not only because you might think a piece of music is lame because it was made by AI vs a human. But also because all the things that bring you back to a piece of art is wrapped up in the person that made it. People who are immense fans of the Beatles, Taylor Swift or…

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