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Re: Samsung's Bada OS growing faster than Windows Phone

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Post by rbanffy »

stephen_g wrote: post #13
numo16 wrote: post #4

Microsoft would probably sell more of them if there were some decent phones on carriers besides AT&T. Last time I got a new phone, I wanted to go Windows Phone 7, but I'm sure as hell not switching to AT&T from Verizon for it.

It might help to some extent, but I think the fact that the iPhone was so successful while it was AT&T exclusive for so long proves that it's probably not the main issue.

> the fact that the iPhone was so successful while it was AT&T exclusive

It also had software that was much more sophisticated and usable than any of its competitors of the time. WP7 doesn't enjoy this advantage.

Re: Samsung's Bada OS growing faster than Windows Phone

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Post by azakai »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #19
fribblerz wrote: post #15

Yet they scraped it and moved on to Tizen[1]. While it's good that Tizen is linux based and open source, abandoning a perfectly good os(Bada)just in 2 years might not go well with it's app developers. They(devs) might think twice before developing for tizen now. Although Samsung seems to be planning to make bada open, I doubt it will get the same traction now. [1] https://www.tizen.org

Bada apps will be able to run on Samsung's version of Tizen, so Samsung is dropping Bada in a fashion similar to how Apple dropped OS9.

Or for that matter Windows Phone 7 and 8.

Re: Samsung's Bada OS growing faster than Windows Phone

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Post by lrei »

rbanffy wrote: post #30
lrei wrote: post #21

Comparing Bada to WP is apples to oranges. Bada is not a smartphone OS and many (most?) Bada handsets are sold at a fraction of the price of any WP handset. Symbian is a better comparison for Bada and it probably still dwarfs it in terms of market share. As for App devs, native development for Bada is a massive headache that bears no comparison to WP, iOS or even android. From SDK bugs to Store bugs. And even when us…

> Oh and nowhere in that mini-article is it mentioned that Bada will probably-maybe be replaced by another OS, Tizen. Not much of a problem. Tizen will be able to run the Bada application layer.

I didn't know that - I haven't been keeping up with Tizen. But I did read that tizen would also run android applications.

Re: Samsung's Bada OS growing faster than Windows Phone

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Post by rbanffy »

lrei wrote: post #33
rbanffy wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Oh and nowhere in that mini-article is it mentioned that Bada will probably-maybe be replaced by another OS, Tizen. Not much of a problem. Tizen will be able to run the Bada application layer.

I didn't know that - I haven't been keeping up with Tizen. But I did read that tizen would also run android applications.

Shouldn't be hard. With a little effort, it could also run WebOS applications. All three have lots of code in common.

Re: Samsung's Bada OS growing faster than Windows Phone

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Post by barista »

That's just some misinformation. Bada grew from 1.9 -> 2.7 percent in 1 year. Microsoft's total share (including the old windows mobile grew from 1.6 -> 2.7 percent in the same time. How's then Bada growing faster? http://techcrunch.com/2012/08/14/gartner-global-mobile-sales...

Re: Samsung's Bada OS growing faster than Windows Phone

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Post by barista »

mtgx wrote: post #7
fmystic wrote: post #5

Equally valid headline: "Windows Phone and Android are the only mobile operating systems with year over year growth" http://www.asymco.com/2012/08/15/american-exceptionalism/

The article clearly states Windows Phone's growth was slower than Bada's, so how can you say Android and WP are the "only" mobile operating systems with YoY growth? Plus, you should never trust Aymco's data. The charts look pretty and as if "they make sense", but the truth is they are always misleading in some way, from what I've noticed, much like Net Marketshare's charts on mobile browsers' "market share", which sh…

>The article clearly states Windows Phone's growth was slower than Bada's Did you even see the numbers?

Bada grew from 1.9 -> 2.7 percent in 1 year. Microsoft's total share (including the old windows mobile grew from 1.6 -> 2.7 percent in the same time. How's then Bada growing faster? http://techcrunch.com/2012/08/14/gartner-global-mobile-sales....

Re: Samsung's Bada OS growing faster than Windows Phone

#37

Post by Zigurd »

lrei wrote: post #33
rbanffy wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Oh and nowhere in that mini-article is it mentioned that Bada will probably-maybe be replaced by another OS, Tizen. Not much of a problem. Tizen will be able to run the Bada application layer.

I didn't know that - I haven't been keeping up with Tizen. But I did read that tizen would also run android applications.

I don't think the Bada -> Tizen transition is official yet, but Bada had a Linux-based road map, and Tizen would work on the kind of hardware to which feature phones are transitioning.

As for it being an invalid or unfair comparison with Windows Phone, you have to take into account that the feature phone business is overall in steep decline. What might be called a "feature phone" in the future is likely to be indistinguishable from a low end smartphone. The difference will be that the feature phone's ecosystem is more-captive to the carrier's ecosystem, and that will support lower initial costs.

Re: Samsung's Bada OS growing faster than Windows Phone

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Post by lrei »

Zigurd wrote: post #37
lrei wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't know that - I haven't been keeping up with Tizen. But I did read that tizen would also run android applications.

I don't think the Bada -> Tizen transition is official yet, but Bada had a Linux-based road map, and Tizen would work on the kind of hardware to which feature phones are transitioning. As for it being an invalid or unfair comparison with Windows Phone, you have to take into account that the feature phone business is overall in steep decline. What might be called a "feature phone" in the future is likely to be indisti…

I believe that eventually feature phones will be replaced by smartphones.

Do you believe that Bada will be a smartphone OS comparable to Android/iOS/WP in the sense that people looking to buy a smartphone will buy a Bada-based one instead of one that's WP (or iOS/Android) based? I don't believe that.

If people simply want the phone with the best camera than it wont matter if it's Bada or Android or WP. But if people expect to run apps/games on it than it will matter.

Bada's "growth" is simply due to Samsung replacing their previous feature phone OS with Bada. Even if the overall market is in decline, Bada's share of it will increase as Samsung adopts it in more of their models.

Re: Samsung's Bada OS growing faster than Windows Phone

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Post by Samuel_Michon »

barista wrote: post #35

That's just some misinformation. Bada grew from 1.9 -> 2.7 percent in 1 year. Microsoft's total share (including the old windows mobile grew from 1.6 -> 2.7 percent in the same time. How's then Bada growing faster? http://techcrunch.com/2012/08/14/gartner-global-mobile-sales...

That only works out if you believe that Gartner's ‘research’ is sound and has an error margin of zero.

I encourage you to read Asymco's post on these kinds of guesstimates: http://www.asymco.com/2012/08/13/how-many-smartphones-did-sa...

Re: Samsung's Bada OS growing faster than Windows Phone

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Post by Zigurd »

lrei wrote: post #38
Zigurd wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the Bada -> Tizen transition is official yet, but Bada had a Linux-based road map, and Tizen would work on the kind of hardware to which feature phones are transitioning. As for it being an invalid or unfair comparison with Windows Phone, you have to take into account that the feature phone business is overall in steep decline. What might be called a "feature phone" in the future is likely to be indisti…

I believe that eventually feature phones will be replaced by smartphones. Do you believe that Bada will be a smartphone OS comparable to Android/iOS/WP in the sense that people looking to buy a smartphone will buy a Bada-based one instead of one that's WP (or iOS/Android) based? I don't believe that. If people simply want the phone with the best camera than it wont matter if it's Bada or Android or WP. But if people…

I think there will be a class of phones that do almost all of the things a smartphone like an iOS or Android phone do, but that have an app and content ecosystem where more of the revenue goes to the carrier.
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