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Re: Corporation for Public Broadcasting Statement Regarding Executive Order

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Post by chii »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #128
wffurr wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do the courts enforce their rulings if the executive branch is wholly beholden to the president? It’s already a big problem for the DoJ. See https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/the-situation--formalis...

> How do the courts enforce their rulings if the executive branch is wholly beholden to the president? That's the point of the separation of powers.

separation of powers require the people in gov't to enforce the separation.

If the whitehouse is using federal agents to force an action that is directly contrary to court judgement, those agents should have refused orders tbh. They need to know what separation of power is, and the citizens need to also be outraged regardless of political affiliation.

The problem is that some citizens _are not outraged_ (at least, not enough), and those federal agents are following orders from the whitehouse directly regardless of consequences. So a judge's words right now is only as good as the paper it's written on.

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Post by sofixa »

bhouston wrote: post #3

The US is so weird right now. You have a President who is ordering the defunding of tons of groups (universities, media, aid, institutes) while not clearly having that authority and often doing so for what he views as ideological crimes. Also arresting and trying to deport people for things that are not clearly crimes (newspaper op-eds, etc) and without due process. Very strange times. Right now I have some faith the…

> Right now I have some faith the courts in the US will stand up to this and get the US back on track but I worry that dam may not hold forever.

He and his administration already ignored a Supreme court ruling, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

Re: Corporation for Public Broadcasting Statement Regarding Executive Order

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Post by RajT88 »

noitpmeder wrote: post #137
whoknew1122 wrote: post #115

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I'm not sure how important that is to remember. The president is issuing the orders. The president is chief executive of the country. The president can't pawn off responsibility to some White House staffer or think tank. An executive order is the president's order. Is it useful to look at the people who wrote or lobbied for the order? Perhaps if you want to want to understand the context of an order. But none of that…

My view (maybe shared by GP) is that while Trump deserves a lot of the blame, he's just a figure head over the rest of the republican party. It's not like Trump is sitting on the toilet writing executive orders or tweets. These are initiatives championed by the elite conservative leadership, they just have a convenient "bad guy" that the rest of the country can focus their hatred on. Don't think for a second that Van…

> My view (maybe shared by GP) is that while Trump deserves a lot of the blame, he's just a figure head over the rest of the republican party.

Exactly this.

Debated at length in the 2016 election cycle and onward since. The Republican establishment didn't (and doesn't) love Trump as a politician, but they love that he puts them in power, and they have been trying to figure out how to reproduce that kind of popularity in a candidate since (and largely failing). He's the best bet of the far-right folks behind the scenes to implement their policy, and he doesn't give a shit about all that stuff as long as he can enrich himself.

The one silver lining is the bit about not being able to reproduce his popularity - which I assume is why they've all been so aggressive in trying to remake the federal government. They've got until the midterms to grab all the power they can. It seems likely they will face a backlash and a lot of seats will swing, so their focus is on removing the teeth from congress, while state level actors try and push through enough new laws that they can prevent loss of seats in the midterms.

Re: Corporation for Public Broadcasting Statement Regarding Executive Order

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Post by kaishiro »

andrewclunn wrote: post #144
next_xibalba wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To wit, during the BLM riots of 2020, NPR published a piece on how looting was a legitimate form of protest. I mark that as the moment they lost both my trust and my attention. A very sad, eye opening moment for me.

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Offering a poor example in support of your argument is as futile - if not more detrimental - than disregarding the question entirely.

Re: Corporation for Public Broadcasting Statement Regarding Executive Order

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Post by HamsterDan »

I guess you can applaud Trump for taking the high ground here, but what he should have done is fired NPR and PBS's leadership and replaced them with rightwing equivalents. Maybe then Democrats would finally understand why it's so offensive to use taxpayer money to fund political propaganda.

Re: Corporation for Public Broadcasting Statement Regarding Executive Order

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Post by vel0city »

cryptoegorophy wrote: post #118

15% from federal funding? Doesn’t sound too bad? I thought it was more like 95%. They will survive.

Lots of member stations are massively dependent on CPB. Without CBP funding those stations they'll go dark.

Re: Corporation for Public Broadcasting Statement Regarding Executive Order

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Post by neogodless »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #111
mathgeek wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You have a President who is ordering the defunding of tons of groups (universities, media, aid, institutes) while not clearly having that authority and often doing so for what he views as ideological crimes. It’s important to remember that while the President issues the orders, there are other actors behind the scenes writing them for him. They have goals that go beyond a single man considering ideological crimes.

I'm pretty sure with Trump this time around it is much less the case. In his first admin there are endless stories of the "Adults" in the room keeping him in check. This time around he was sure to only fill his cabinet with yes men, so no one could keep him reigned in.

I just want to clarify that you're responding to someone who is saying that there are "people behind Trump" - not his "advisors" aka "yes men" but rather people with lots of money and influence, but behind the scenes. This might be Peter Thiel or Curtis Yarvin or The Heritage Group. I'm not sure, and it's hard to know that for sure. But it's a bit of a separate concept from the actual Cabinet Members and what may have put checks on him in his first term.

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Post by pjc50 »

arcbyte wrote: post #30
bhouston wrote: post #3

The US is so weird right now. You have a President who is ordering the defunding of tons of groups (universities, media, aid, institutes) while not clearly having that authority and often doing so for what he views as ideological crimes. Also arresting and trying to deport people for things that are not clearly crimes (newspaper op-eds, etc) and without due process. Very strange times. Right now I have some faith the…

I say this as a firm conservative. The courts have so far been outstanding, despite all the inappropriate pressure. I have no doubt they will continue to be. I'm also quite impressed with conservative voters who are speaking out to their conservative representatives. Ultimately though, despite many many calls not to do so, Congress has goven the executive branch unheard of powers. Executive power needs to be reigned…

> Congress has goven the executive branch unheard of powers. Executive power needs to be reigned in tightly and then Congressional power needs to reigned in as well. We need to push for Federalism.

Sensible people will realize that separation of powers means nothing when the same party holds both powers. R House + R senate + R SCOTUS + R executive => unlimited executive power.

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Post by chii »

shadowgovt wrote: post #78
afavour wrote: post #62

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> Right now I have some faith the courts in the US will stand up to this and get the US back on track I don't mean to sound hysterical but I don't share your faith for two main reasons: - my faith in the Supreme Court diminishes with every year. It is clear a majority are far more motivated by ideology than a straightforward reading of the law - Trump can just ignore the courts. We're not there yet but all signs show…

The Courts have no enforcement power. If the Executive proves unwilling to accede to court orders, the Courts don't have the legal ability to use violence to compel the Executive. At that point, it comes down to whether Congress will impeach and remove. If Congress will not impeach and remove, the Courts are defanged and we functionally have (at least) four years of Executive rule with no legal check on that authorit…

> Multiple states want his ass on a platter for crimes in their jurisdictions outside of his function as President

if this were truly the case, then the orange man will fight to remain in power indefinitely. There should and need to be a civil war 2.0 if this happens - lest the bastion of western democracy falls (and it will, if that comes to pass).

Then china is the least of the USA's problems. But perhaps this is the engineered outcome desired by russia, if you would believe the conspiracy theory that trump is a foreign asset.

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Post by mschuster91 »

vel0city wrote: post #113
afavour wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would imagine Project 2025 is a good source here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 Every American owes it to themselves to familiarize themselves with the project and its aims, because a number of its authors are the ones wielding power right now.

It's insane to me how many people argued with me that Project 2025 was democrat propaganda to smear Trump. Both online here on Hacker News and in person.

The thing is, people are expecting that campaign promises are pointless blathering. That's what led many people to believe it will be just the same this time.
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