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Not entirely true. Routing is a very important part of electrical schematics.
Is it? Isn’t that more like PCB design? The schematic is just the abstract connection of components, right?
LLMs for Engineering: Teaching Models to Design High Powered Rockets
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Re: LLMs for Engineering: Teaching Models to Design High Powered Rockets
#22A fundamental problem with this entire class of machine learning is that it is based on a model / simulation of reality. "RocketPy, a high-fidelity trajectory simulation library for high-power rocketry" in this case. Nothing against this sim in particular but all such simulations that attempt to model any non-trivial system are imperfect. Nature is just too complex to model precisely and accurately. The LLM (or other…
I believe the future of such simulation is to start from the lowest level - ie. schrodinger's equation, and get the simulator to derive all higher level stuff.
Obviously the higher level models are imperfect, but then it's the AI's job to decide if a pile of soil needs to be simulated as a load of grains of sand, or as crystals of quartz, or as atoms of silicon, or as quarks...
The AI can always check its answer by redoing a lower level simulation of a tiny part of the result, and check it is consistent with a higher level/cheaper simulation.
Re: LLMs for Engineering: Teaching Models to Design High Powered Rockets
#23A fundamental problem with this entire class of machine learning is that it is based on a model / simulation of reality. "RocketPy, a high-fidelity trajectory simulation library for high-power rocketry" in this case. Nothing against this sim in particular but all such simulations that attempt to model any non-trivial system are imperfect. Nature is just too complex to model precisely and accurately. The LLM (or other…
Considering how fast you can go with simulations vs real launches, I'm not surprised the took the first approach.
Re: LLMs for Engineering: Teaching Models to Design High Powered Rockets
#24Imagine a fake engineer who read books about engineering as scifi, and thanks to his superhuman memory, he's mastered the engineer-speak so well that he sounds more engineery than top engineers in the world. Except that he has no clue about engineering and to him it's the same as literature or prose. Now he's tasked with designing a bridge. He pauses for a second and starts speaking, in his usual polished style: "sur…
> Think of the absurdity of trying to understand the Pi number by looking at its first billion digits and trying to predict the next digit. And think of what it takes to advance from memorizing digits of such numbers and predicting continuation with astrology-style logic to understanding the math behind the digits of Pi. I'm prepared to believe that a sufficiently advanced LLM around today will have some "neural" rep…
Re: LLMs for Engineering: Teaching Models to Design High Powered Rockets
#25My hypothesis is until they can really nail down image to text and text to image, such that training on diagrams and drawings can produce fruitful multi modal output, classic engineering is going to be a tough nut to crack. Software engineering lends itself greatly to LLMs because it just fits so nicely into tokenization. Whereas mechanical drawings or electronic schematics are sort of more like a visual language. Im…
Mechanical drawings and schematics are visualizations for humans. If you look at the data structure of a gerber or DWG, it’s vectors and metadata. These happen to be great for LLMs. My hypothesis is that we haven’t done the work on that yet because the market is more interested in things like Ghibli imagery.
Re: LLMs for Engineering: Teaching Models to Design High Powered Rockets
#26A fundamental problem with this entire class of machine learning is that it is based on a model / simulation of reality. "RocketPy, a high-fidelity trajectory simulation library for high-power rocketry" in this case. Nothing against this sim in particular but all such simulations that attempt to model any non-trivial system are imperfect. Nature is just too complex to model precisely and accurately. The LLM (or other…
Re: LLMs for Engineering: Teaching Models to Design High Powered Rockets
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#28Imagine a fake engineer who read books about engineering as scifi, and thanks to his superhuman memory, he's mastered the engineer-speak so well that he sounds more engineery than top engineers in the world. Except that he has no clue about engineering and to him it's the same as literature or prose. Now he's tasked with designing a bridge. He pauses for a second and starts speaking, in his usual polished style: "sur…
Re: LLMs for Engineering: Teaching Models to Design High Powered Rockets
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Think of the absurdity of trying to understand the Pi number by looking at its first billion digits and trying to predict the next digit. And think of what it takes to advance from memorizing digits of such numbers and predicting continuation with astrology-style logic to understanding the math behind the digits of Pi. I'm prepared to believe that a sufficiently advanced LLM around today will have some "neural" rep…
> I'm prepared to believe that a sufficiently advanced LLM This is the opposite of engineering/science. This is animism.
Re: LLMs for Engineering: Teaching Models to Design High Powered Rockets
#30I think what might work is people coming together around this LLM like a God. Similar to Rod of Iron Ministries (The Church of the AR-15) Taking what is says, fine tuning it, testing it, feeding back in and mostly waiting as LLMs improve. LLMs will never be smarter than humans, but they can be a meeting place where people congregate to work on goals and worship. Like QAnon, that's where the collective IQ and power co…