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Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by nemomarx »

spacedcowboy wrote: post #111
chmod775 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What killed the Vision Pro is the complete lack of support for the two main things people use VR for. Productivity is a distant third behind the likes of VR Chat and pornography. If Apple managed to capture only 1% of VR Chat's monthly userbase, they would've tripled their pathetic sales numbers. Apple tried to focus on productivity and some light entertainment and didn't even throw the other two a bone by supporting…

I bought the AVP for one thing only - long haul flights. It makes the experience completely and utterly different, and it's less than the cost of a business seat. It "works for me".

what kind of flights are you buying that cost 3500 for a business seat? do you get them very last minute?

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by leptons »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #3

Will the executive actually face an criminal charges? No they will not.

All they have to do is pony up $2 million and they can buy a pardon from a criminal president. Seems like a pretty easy problem to solve if you're rich like Apple execs.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by dang »

Related ongoing threads:

Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43852145 - May 2025 (504 comments)

A senior Apple exec could be jailed in Epic case - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43859814 - May 2025 (58 comments)

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by mullingitover »

TheDong wrote: post #193
mullingitover wrote: post #161

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> I can't get into my coworking space without a door unlock app on my phone. And that app is probably free, covered by the costs of the paid apps, the majority of which are brainrot games and social media[1]. Honestly this system isn't half bad, it's essentially a tax on idleness that funds a bunch of virtuous activity. [1] https://www.statista.com/chart/29389/global-app-revenue-by-s...

The app is free for users, but the coworking space pays the app's company a considerable fee to manage access to the doors and audit logs and such, so it's not that it's subsidized by brainrot games. Free apps on iOS should be subsidized by, I don't know, the purchase price of the phone and the $100 yearly developer fee I'd think. > Honestly this system isn't half bad, it's essentially a tax on idleness that funds a…

> the coworking space pays the app's company a considerable fee to manage access to the doors and audit logs and such, so it's not that it's subsidized by brainrot games.

I think you're well aware that these fees don't go toward the iOS SDK licensing/infra/staffing/security/distribution costs of the app and the App Store. That's what is being subsidized by the brainrot games.

Furthermore, there's nothing stopping that app maker from bypassing the app store and simply making a webapp, so this argument that you need an iphone to open the door is really moot. It's not the smartphone makers' fault that the door company's customers demand this product.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by nostromo »

TheDong wrote: post #110
nostromo wrote: post #40

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I want Apple to protect me from app developers. For me, it’s a feature not a bug. I want them to prevent social media companies from tracking my device across my other apps. I want them to integrate billing so I can easily cancel subscriptions or get refunds. I want them to require Oauth that allows me to keep my email private from app developers. These features make my customer experience better not worse. I’m sorry…

We're on Hacker News, not Granny News. Being a hacker means having curiosity about the things around you, having the desire to be able to change and understand things. On android, I wrote small toy apps for myself, I could build and self-sign an APK, I could poke at how the system worked and read all the source code I wanted. Tragically, due to blue bubbles and group chats within my family, I was forced to switch to…

It's true, I like my Granny phone. And you can choose a hacker phone if you want!

I personally do my hacking on Mac, Linux, and on my RasberryPis, in my secure home and behind a firewall. But I don't want a hacker-friendly phone holding my passwords, credit cards, social media, email, photos, GPS location, cameras, microphones, etc., with a persistent cellular connection to the internet and at constant risk of being left in a taxi or cafe. I would never put the effort into locking everything down, and I'd probably fuck it up if I tried anyway.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by mike-the-mikado »

Molitor5901 wrote: post #52
torben-friis wrote: post #7

>Internally, Phillip Schiller had advocated that Apple comply with the Injunction, but Tim Cook ignored Schiller and instead allowed Chief Financial Officer Luca Maestri and his finance team to convince him otherwise. Cook chose poorly. The real evidence, detailed herein, more than meets the clear and convincing standard to find a violation. Judging by tech, apple is right now in deep water due to the failure of deli…

I think Apple has needed a change of leadership since day one of the Cook era. He may have been brilliant at logistics and putting products on shelves, but I think Apple innovation has flatlined under Cooke and if anything, the holier than thou arrogance of Apple in general has grown exponentially. Maybe it's time to breakup Apple - separate the computer and phone divisions.

A more user friendly option would be to separate them into a hardware and a software company.

The hardware company would have to publish specs allowing anyone to offer operating systems running on Apple hardware.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by chmod775 »

nemomarx wrote: post #231
spacedcowboy wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought the AVP for one thing only - long haul flights. It makes the experience completely and utterly different, and it's less than the cost of a business seat. It "works for me".

what kind of flights are you buying that cost 3500 for a business seat? do you get them very last minute?

Pretty standard for a ~10-12 hour flight.

It's not like there's much reason to care about comforts on short flights. Anyone can tolerate economy for an hour and you'd probably not get out your VR headset for a short hop either.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by Reubachi »

mepian wrote: post #188
Molitor5901 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Apple has needed a change of leadership since day one of the Cook era. He may have been brilliant at logistics and putting products on shelves, but I think Apple innovation has flatlined under Cooke and if anything, the holier than thou arrogance of Apple in general has grown exponentially. Maybe it's time to breakup Apple - separate the computer and phone divisions.

>Maybe it's time to breakup Apple - separate the computer and phone divisions. Who gets the Apple brand?

easily no question, ios would get apple naming convention. 85 percent of their revenue is from ios and connected services.

Which also means, "it's time to breakup apple" means nothing, not sure why OP suggested that as a method to punish a legally problematic CEO/board. they don't have a multisegment monopoly allowing them complete control over supply chains, or multi region monopoly on smartphones that would be effected by a breakup.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by Reubachi »

benoau wrote: post #178
jobs_throwaway wrote: post #60

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100%. For any regular citizen this would obviously lead to jail time. Being Tim Cook shouldn't change that.

The funny thing is they have 2x consumer class actions (US + UK) alleging these 30% fees were always a ripoff, they just became a slam dunk so that’ll be tens of billions they have to pay back!

Genuine question as I'm seeing this sentiment a lot in these threads, and I must be missing something.

What you've just described would be the single greatest punishment to an entity in the (admittently recently established) history of case-law, would upend the tech sector (maybe justly), lay off 10s of thousands and effectively stop work at downstream supply chains.

I get that this is the point of the punishment. However, do you think politicians, investors, lawyers with controlling stake, The DOD with security integrations, would allow that to happen?

Put another way, do you think the rule of law exists for the hyper rich when the current admin put.....Linda McMahon on the presidents cabinet?

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