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Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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kridsdale3 wrote: post #171
jasode wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Back then, they needed developers to turn the ship around, now they think devs need them. No, that's the opposite of what actually happened with the iPhone. Back in 2007, Apple actually saw evidence from the customer buying frenzy that Apple didn't need 3rd-party devs to make iPhone a wild success. After the very desirable iPhones got into millions of customers hands, it was the 3rd-party devs that needed Apple mor…

OP was talking about 1997, not 2007.

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Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by sodality2 »

TheDong wrote: post #156
kagakuninja wrote: post #129

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And it is the same cut that console companies take from developers. And then when we point this out, people respond with some bullshit that consoles are not "general purpose computers"...

Consoles are trivially avoidable. Family group chats that require a blue-bubble-capable phone, grandmothers that only know how to use facetime, those are actually important. I can't get into my coworking space without a door unlock app on my phone. On the other hand, exactly 0 times in my life have I ever been told "yeah, you need to own an xbox to go to the dentist's office". Phones are indeed in a different class f…

> Family group chats that require a blue-bubble-capable phone

This is a social walled garden they've built over years and has been solidified by users choosing it over and over again. Are they exploiting our brain's capacities regarding social pressure to extract profit? Sure, but so does every fast food company, social media company, marketing company, etc.

I think it's interesting that you phrase it as "require" regarding a group chat made by your family members. Apple doesn't require this, your family members chose Apple when they purchased their phones.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by masklinn »

TYPE_FASTER wrote: post #102
joezydeco wrote: post #93

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"In 2013 i met a very close friend of Steve Jobs and i remember saying "there's one thing i absolutely have to know, it's really important to me" he responds "okay what is it?" I ask "what was all the money for?!" puzzled "what do you mean?" "Steve Jobs saved up like 200 billion dollars in cash at Apple, but what was it all for? what was the plan? was he going to buy AT&T? was he going to build his own telecom or mak…

Also, Apple was down to 90 days of operating cash and almost went bankrupt in 1997.

And Microsoft had to invest in Apple, as a bankrupt Apple would have left them with effectively no defense against the antitrust investigation they were undergoing.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by paxys »

post_break wrote: post #15

The top brass at Apple just think they are above everyone else. Remember when Tim Cook lied about Apple not giving anyone special terms in the app store and that everyone gets the same deal. And then it came out Netflix was one that got special terms? The sheer arrogance of Apple leaders is astounding. They think they are outright owed rent on anything that runs on an iPhone, iPad, etc. Apple thinks developers are no…

That's because they are above everyone else. Tell me — do you think this executive or any other higher-up at Apple will face any real consequences because of this?

In the absolute worst case the company will pay a fine in the order of tens of millions and the whole thing will go away. And the executive in question will get a fat bonus and promotion for his loyalty.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by benoau »

vessenes wrote: post #79

In the words of a trial lawyer friend of mine, “Nobody in the history of the world has said, ‘You know what? The judge was right; I was an asshole.’ Definitely some of those vibes there. I’ve generally been on team apple for this case, and as Gruber notes, they largely won the case. Dunking on their power to set other contractual fees seems to have come back to bite them. That said, as a user, I strongly prefer to us…

Apple Pay is 0.15% fee and have no bearing on this case. In-App Purchases are 30%.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by wtallis »

Osiris wrote: post #170
KerrAvon wrote: post #136

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IANAL, but that's not true. Fortnite was removed due to breach of contract.

The breach being that they offered a payment method outside of Apple Pay. That's exactly what he said.

It's not exactly what he said. The fact the they agreed to a contract prohibiting them from using an outside payment method and then willfully violated that contract is a detail that courts may not be so willing to overlook.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by mepian »

Molitor5901 wrote: post #52
torben-friis wrote: post #7

>Internally, Phillip Schiller had advocated that Apple comply with the Injunction, but Tim Cook ignored Schiller and instead allowed Chief Financial Officer Luca Maestri and his finance team to convince him otherwise. Cook chose poorly. The real evidence, detailed herein, more than meets the clear and convincing standard to find a violation. Judging by tech, apple is right now in deep water due to the failure of deli…

I think Apple has needed a change of leadership since day one of the Cook era. He may have been brilliant at logistics and putting products on shelves, but I think Apple innovation has flatlined under Cooke and if anything, the holier than thou arrogance of Apple in general has grown exponentially. Maybe it's time to breakup Apple - separate the computer and phone divisions.

  >Maybe it's time to breakup Apple - separate the computer and phone divisions.
Who gets the Apple brand?

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by TheDong »

sodality2 wrote: post #182
TheDong wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consoles are trivially avoidable. Family group chats that require a blue-bubble-capable phone, grandmothers that only know how to use facetime, those are actually important. I can't get into my coworking space without a door unlock app on my phone. On the other hand, exactly 0 times in my life have I ever been told "yeah, you need to own an xbox to go to the dentist's office". Phones are indeed in a different class f…

> Family group chats that require a blue-bubble-capable phone This is a social walled garden they've built over years and has been solidified by users choosing it over and over again. Are they exploiting our brain's capacities regarding social pressure to extract profit? Sure, but so does every fast food company, social media company, marketing company, etc. I think it's interesting that you phrase it as "require" re…

Practically every other chat ecosystem I've used has worked fine from android or ios, or for the most part my desktop computer. Signal, XMPP, Facebook Messenger, Telegram, Twitter DMs, Google Chat, all of these work _fine_ from every general computing device I own (iPhone, android, linux).

Somehow it's only iMessage which doesn't have an android or desktop or web app, despite Apple having more money than every other messenger app I mentioned.

> your family members chose Apple when they purchased their phones.

Apple chooses the default and integrates it into the OS more deeply than any third-party app can be integrated. It's not a free choice... and then Apple also refuses to provide open access to this ecosystem to other devices.

I know other people have sometimes said that it's an anti-spam measure to tie the iMessage account to an apple ID which is associated with a purchase. I'd be fine making an apple ID and paying up to $300 to get iMessage access for it if that would allow me to not use iOS and still communicate with my family (via an officially supported / recognized android + linux iMessage app).

When my iPhone finally breaks (and may it be soon), I am planning to get a mac mini server and install https://bluebubbles.app/ to solve this.

I am mildly worried that apple will eventually ban me for that, as they did with beeper (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39156308), and also not thrilled about the increased electric bill that'd entail.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by fortran77 »

pjmlp wrote: post #27
post_break wrote: post #15

The top brass at Apple just think they are above everyone else. Remember when Tim Cook lied about Apple not giving anyone special terms in the app store and that everyone gets the same deal. And then it came out Netflix was one that got special terms? The sheer arrogance of Apple leaders is astounding. They think they are outright owed rent on anything that runs on an iPhone, iPad, etc. Apple thinks developers are no…

Apple always has been like that, see The Cult of Mac book. However, it appears being at the edge of bankruptcy, and having turned the ship around has made them paranoid of losing a single cent. When Apple Store came out it was great. I was a Nokia employee at the time, and 30% was a dream compared with what you would have to pay to phone operators, app listenings in magazines with SMS download codes, for Blackberry,…

> Apple always has been like that

They were better in the pre-Mac days. I was a big Apple fan until the Mac came out.

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