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Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by mullingitover »

TheDong wrote: post #156
kagakuninja wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it is the same cut that console companies take from developers. And then when we point this out, people respond with some bullshit that consoles are not "general purpose computers"...

Consoles are trivially avoidable. Family group chats that require a blue-bubble-capable phone, grandmothers that only know how to use facetime, those are actually important. I can't get into my coworking space without a door unlock app on my phone. On the other hand, exactly 0 times in my life have I ever been told "yeah, you need to own an xbox to go to the dentist's office". Phones are indeed in a different class f…

> I can't get into my coworking space without a door unlock app on my phone.

And that app is probably free, covered by the costs of the paid apps, the majority of which are brainrot games and social media[1].

Honestly this system isn't half bad, it's essentially a tax on idleness that funds a bunch of virtuous activity.

[1] https://www.statista.com/chart/29389/global-app-revenue-by-s...

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by robotnikman »

jofla_net wrote: post #95
joezydeco wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"In 2013 i met a very close friend of Steve Jobs and i remember saying "there's one thing i absolutely have to know, it's really important to me" he responds "okay what is it?" I ask "what was all the money for?!" puzzled "what do you mean?" "Steve Jobs saved up like 200 billion dollars in cash at Apple, but what was it all for? what was the plan? was he going to buy AT&T? was he going to build his own telecom or mak…

Totally believable. My grandmother lived though the great depression, wherein she was lucky to get an Orange at christmas. The last few decades of her life she basically was a food hoarder, pantries overflowing with canned goods, and a freezer where you never saw the back.

Same thing with my grandpa, he hoarded everything. Cleaning out his house after he passed was a huge undertaking.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by rdtsc »

chrisjj wrote: post #144
rdtsc wrote: post #130

Link to the court doc: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.36... > The testimony of Mr. Roman, Vice President of Finance, was replete with misdirection and outright lies. He even went so far as to testify that Apple did not look at comparables to estimate the costs of alternative payment solutions that developers would need to procure to facilitate linked-out purchases. (May 2024 Tr. 266:22–267:…

> So was Roman incompetent or just kissing ass hoping to become the President of Finance Why not both?

Well good point. I guess I was just trying to present it as he just lied because he thought it's not a big deal, as in he is incompetent enough to not understand in the kind of trouble he can be in. Or, he fully understood what deep shit he would be in, but it was a worthy risk to become Mr. Cook's personal favorite.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by emchammer »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #35
post_break wrote: post #15

The top brass at Apple just think they are above everyone else. Remember when Tim Cook lied about Apple not giving anyone special terms in the app store and that everyone gets the same deal. And then it came out Netflix was one that got special terms? The sheer arrogance of Apple leaders is astounding. They think they are outright owed rent on anything that runs on an iPhone, iPad, etc. Apple thinks developers are no…

I wouldn't blame them, Americans on the whole fall over themselves to defend Apple. Apple is the magic entity that figured out how to send full videos and pictures in text messages. Something a google android could never figure out. Apple phones didn't come bloated with garbage. You go to the apple store for help rather than the verizon store. You are above others when you have an iPhone. Apple's external veneer is s…

Not magic although it seems like it. Pixel perfect graphics and smooth video go a long way even if you’re not a graphic designer. Silicon Graphics had this figured out.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by lotsofpulp »

joe_the_user wrote: post #154
joezydeco wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"In 2013 i met a very close friend of Steve Jobs and i remember saying "there's one thing i absolutely have to know, it's really important to me" he responds "okay what is it?" I ask "what was all the money for?!" puzzled "what do you mean?" "Steve Jobs saved up like 200 billion dollars in cash at Apple, but what was it all for? what was the plan? was he going to buy AT&T? was he going to build his own telecom or mak…

The only way that differs "any corp" is that in most publicly corporations, you want to return that money to your shareholders - and they sit on it for the same reason. IE, this just says Jobs ran Apple as his personal fife. But since he made lots of money, no one cared.

I’m a shareholder, and I would rather that money be used to grow stock price (since it is already at a business known for creating new products and markets).

If I get a dividend, I have to pay tax today. And then I just turn around and buy more stock with post tax income?

If I can sell the share at a higher price when I want the cash, then I can pay the tax whenever I want, possibly under more preferable terms.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by Osiris »

torben-friis wrote: post #7

>Internally, Phillip Schiller had advocated that Apple comply with the Injunction, but Tim Cook ignored Schiller and instead allowed Chief Financial Officer Luca Maestri and his finance team to convince him otherwise. Cook chose poorly. The real evidence, detailed herein, more than meets the clear and convincing standard to find a violation. Judging by tech, apple is right now in deep water due to the failure of deli…

Given that the CFO encouraged Cook to violate the court order tells me that they calculated that

1. Any fines for not complying would be less than what they would lose by complying

2. That no individual would suffer any consequences for blatantly disobeying a court order.

In my opinion, the whole concept that a company can break the law but no human can be held responsible is insane.

I really hope that criminal charges are brought against those involved in making a conscious choice to both lie to the court and ignore the court order. Hopefully that will make other executives think twice when put in the same situation.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by asadotzler »

vessenes wrote: post #79

In the words of a trial lawyer friend of mine, “Nobody in the history of the world has said, ‘You know what? The judge was right; I was an asshole.’ Definitely some of those vibes there. I’ve generally been on team apple for this case, and as Gruber notes, they largely won the case. Dunking on their power to set other contractual fees seems to have come back to bite them. That said, as a user, I strongly prefer to us…

Apple Pay on Stripe?

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by Osiris »

mikhailfranco wrote: post #133
ujkhsjkdhf234 wrote: post #9

I hope he gets criminal charges. The amount of people who lie under oath and get away with it is unacceptable. Lets get all the politicians who lied under oath next as well.

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Fauci? What does he have to do with Apple?

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by Osiris »

KerrAvon wrote: post #136
rideontime wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't buy into the analogy. Cable providers can't prevent you from watching free OTA channels on your television, but Apple prevents Epic from publishing iOS apps outside of the App Store. Considering Fortnite was removed from the App Store specifically due to offering outside payment options, denying its return will likely lead straight back to court.

IANAL, but that's not true. Fortnite was removed due to breach of contract.

The breach being that they offered a payment method outside of Apple Pay. That's exactly what he said.
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