I don't see any exploitation happening. As DHH said, the main reason engineers open source their work is to give a gift to the world.
Redis is open source again
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#42Of course it's the AGPL, which is essentially the SSPL in practice.
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#43Re: Redis is open source again
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except that it’s actually open source.
In word, but not in deed. I'll say it over and over again: COSS startups don't adopt the AGPL because they want to prioritize user freedom, they adopt it as a means of defense.
Just because they don't have the same motives as you, doesn't stop it being a user freedom. Anything that shares the changes and improvements is a user improvement.
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#45Re: Redis is open source again
#46This will be very relevant when Valkey decides to go closed source. It's better than the previous state of course, but it would have been even better if the previous license change didn't happen. As the french people say: fool me once, shame on you...
But in seriousness, the chances of valkey going closed source are low. It's run by Linux Foundation. It would be like suggesting that Node.js might go closed source...
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#47AGPL is cancer. Valkey already exists, people already switched, it's already landed in a bunch of distros. I don't see anyone moving back, especially when Valkey has some big corporate support. And for my personal usage, Rails 8 has moved Redis functionality into the database by default, which works fine.
I love the BSD license, but now who says that AGPL is a cancer is making a big favor to the few huge companies that want to abuse the original dream that spawned modern and open software. Times changes, the best license to use change with times.
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#48I contributed a minor (but imho still neat :p) improvement to Redis under its original license, and personally moved to using redict when the unexpected license change to SSPL was announced - and I was feeling betrayed as a contributor to a properly-FOSS-codebase. (Had they switched to AGPL right away, I'd have been perfectly fine with that change from a moral perspective, ftr.) I have a great deal of respect for ant…
I imagine they will now require copyright assignment or something like that for external contributors to be able to relicense new code under a commercial license.
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#49Re: Redis is open source again
#50Our company made the switch over to Valkey, and we've invested hundreds of engineering hours into it already. I don't see us switching back at this point especially when it's clear Redis could easily pull the bait-and-switch again.
Your company invested hundreds of engineering hours switching from Redis to a clean fork of Redis?