After what Mullenweg has pulled, in the era of Blogging CEOs I have to be cynical.
Valkey.
Redis is open source again
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Re: Redis is open source again
#22AGPL is cancer. Valkey already exists, people already switched, it's already landed in a bunch of distros. I don't see anyone moving back, especially when Valkey has some big corporate support. And for my personal usage, Rails 8 has moved Redis functionality into the database by default, which works fine.
> Rails 8 has moved Redis functionality into the database by default, which works fine.
Databases could always do what redis did. Redis doesn't bring functionality to the table, it brings speed. If database caching, pub/sub, and streams are good enough for your use case, there was never a reason to pay for an extra instance just to stand up redis.
Re: Redis is open source again
#23AGPL is cancer. Valkey already exists, people already switched, it's already landed in a bunch of distros. I don't see anyone moving back, especially when Valkey has some big corporate support. And for my personal usage, Rails 8 has moved Redis functionality into the database by default, which works fine.
AGPL isn’t cancer. It’s a license that exists to solve a particular problem: the proliferation of free software in a world of network services.
If you don’t like it, don’t use AGPLv3 software. Those of us who do like it will keep writing AGPLv3 software.
Re: Redis is open source again
#24This will be very relevant when Valkey decides to go closed source.
It's better than the previous state of course, but it would have been even better if the previous license change didn't happen.
As the french people say: fool me once, shame on you...
Re: Redis is open source again
#25Our company made the switch over to Valkey, and we've invested hundreds of engineering hours into it already. I don't see us switching back at this point especially when it's clear Redis could easily pull the bait-and-switch again.
Your company invested hundreds of engineering hours switching from Redis to a clean fork of Redis?
Re: Redis is open source again
#26Good luck to them, everyone is moving to Valkey, especially with its major backing and already better performance.
Re: Redis is open source again
#27Of course it's the AGPL, which is essentially the SSPL in practice.
Except that it’s actually open source.
In word, but not in deed. I'll say it over and over again: COSS startups don't adopt the AGPL because they want to prioritize user freedom, they adopt it as a means of defense.
Re: Redis is open source again
#28Our company made the switch over to Valkey, and we've invested hundreds of engineering hours into it already. I don't see us switching back at this point especially when it's clear Redis could easily pull the bait-and-switch again.
What? Isn't Valkey a "drop in" replacement? I switched a couple of deployment, it "just worked" but maybe I'm just too simple.
Re: Redis is open source again
#29Redis should step up and fund an independent foundation now and encourage Valkey to contribute where relevant.
Some code under a 3 clause BSD and some under AGPLv3 could be interesting.
Re: Redis is open source again
#30Similar move to Elasticsearch, tacking on AGPL with their existing source available licenses. [1]
The products (commercialized open source) that are often chosen by and championed by developers as opposed to executives see the harm that a bait and switch has on their popularity. With their competitors being more permissive, I don't see many devs moving back unless Valkey loses significant feature parity.
[1] https://ir.elastic.co/news/news-details/2024/Elastic-Announc...