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Post by quesera »

SSLy wrote: post #378
quesera wrote: post #175

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> I have almost 2000 tabs open. I use sideberry for tab management. I'm just here to report that Firefox + Sidebery continues to work perfectly well at 14571 "open" tabs. All but a few hundred are unloaded, and I block JavaScript fairly aggressively. Currently measuring 1992 MB, explicitly allocated. I won't argue with anyone who tells me that I have a problem, but I will say that Firefox and Sidebery make my problem…

tbh, ADHD meds help for that. Cut down my average tab backlog by 90%.

I appreciate this advice, but FWIW my tab habit is more a product of curiosity and time constraints, than any kind of compulsion or control issue. More of a "read-it-later-maybe" queue.

I'll open tabs for any possibly-interesting HN story, for example, and then come back later and read maybe 25% of them, often when the comment threads are still short, and almost always when only one hemisphere has had time to weigh in. Then I'll come back the next day and reload the page for new comments. Or I'll close the tab if the topic wasn't as interesting as I hoped, or if the comments are dominated by a boring tangent.

Periodicaly I sweep through the older tabs that I've never read. Some have expired in their currency. Some are reassessed for interestingness and dispatched quickly. Others are left for future sweeps.

It may not be neurotypical, but I don't think it's ADHD. :)

I should note: this is on my personal/non-sensitive browser profile. My primary work profile is usually fewer than 1000 tabs and is more actively-pruned, but generally reflects things that are still in current ongoing work. And my personal/sensitive profiles only contain a handful of tabs each, things like pending order invoices, etc.

Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by m4rtink »

seltzered_ wrote: post #388
m4rtink wrote: post #190

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I suggest using the session manager extension & having it do periodic snapshots.

Haven't heard of that one, thanks!

Its supper useful if you really want to make sure not to loose your session, as its serializes everything into files, which you can then even backup somewhere if you want. :)

Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by Tagbert »

throwaway290 wrote: post #412
evilpie wrote: post #374

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Make sure you have Firefox 138! From the release notes: > You can also now reposition a tab group on the tab bar by dragging it.

I upgraded mine to FF 138. After the update it even opened the tab groups blog post. 15 minutes of going through settings later, no, my browser has no tab groups feature at all. Of course then I see it's a progressive rollout. Sad.

There is an about:config setting you can turn on. I don’t have it hear but it has been widely posted so take a look. I think if you search about:config for “tab” it might show up.

Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by m4rtink »

jowea wrote: post #417
m4rtink wrote: post #188

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Can report that my testing indicates 40k+ tabs is doable with unloading on a 64 GB machine, across multiple Firefox windows with tree style tab. Since task manager has been introduced, making it easy to unload whole related tab groups its even easier to reach absurd total tab counts. ;-)

As someone who has gotten to 2000 a few times, even I have to ask myself "how? why?"

Investigating some some are to decide what to buy properly could be a couple hundred tabs easily. Usually you can close those when you are done, especially if you use Tree Style Tab to have them in their own little trees - but not always you have the time or are waiting to try the thing after it arrives.

Its is more tricky with technical projects, as you might and up with a big reference tab hierarchy that ideally you should first all read before closing it (maybe, just maybe, someone in one of those forum posts you opened in a tab without looking yet solved your problem!) or get back to the interesting tabs when working on the project.

Worst of all are fiction or world building sites... Like, you end up on some page on Project RHO or Orion's Arm or a WH40K wiki somehow and that page has links to some other interesting topics. And those pages have more links - oh, interesting!

Those can get to hundreds or even thousands of tabs easily and you just can't close them - they are just so interesting and there is that one topic/megascale engineering project/story you did not read to the end yet and you can always get back to it - as long as you keep the tabs open!

And lastly, it is a sort of a diary/history log - sometimes you see a forgotten tab tree you did not touch in a while - oh, right I was researching that thing, how nostalgic! :)

Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by WorldMaker »

snapplebobapple wrote: post #312
kryptn wrote: post #300

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I've been liking the new vertical tabs too.

How does it compare to sidebery? I use the vertical tabs on that and quite like it but only found them because of another feature, per container socks5 (one for local ip and a few to strategically placed cheap vps to override my network default mullvad vpn tunneling as needed)

I've been using the Vertical tabs with Sideberry for a bit. The minified vertical tabs greatly declutters the top of the browser and feels pretty good, but I've got a lot of trees in Sideberry and several panels for organization structure that the built-in vertical tabs can't yet do, so for now most of my navigation is still Sideberry. Tab Groups are something to watch that may help some of what I use multiple panels for in Sideberry. I think native "tree-structure" is a lot more of what I'd particularly want, though.

Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by just6979 »

eviks wrote: post #380
johnnyanmac wrote: post #376

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>mandatory group names I'm on 137.0.2 and I just made a nameless tab group just fine. Real estate of a square.

When you combine tabs, focus shifts to an input field, requiring extra action to dismiss or accept. That's the friction, even if you type nothing. Also in horizontal tab layout every square matters

No friction, just proceed with what you planned on doing after making the group. The naming popup is ephemeral, it will go away if you do anything else.

Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by eviks »

just6979 wrote: post #426
eviks wrote: post #380

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When you combine tabs, focus shifts to an input field, requiring extra action to dismiss or accept. That's the friction, even if you type nothing. Also in horizontal tab layout every square matters

No friction, just proceed with what you planned on doing after making the group. The naming popup is ephemeral, it will go away if you do anything else.

Yeah, right

- press arrow down to scroll on a page: works

- invoke the group command: now input field has focus

- press arrow down to let the "ephemereal go away". Oops, it doesn't since input field actually intercepts ... input!

Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by barbazoo »

eddyg wrote: post #418
ibll wrote: post #356

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It copies a lot of Arc, but the core tab organisation features from Arc are significantly lacking. Last I checked (a few weeks ago), Zen didn't even have a keybind for pinning a tab. It fully keeps the Firefox bookmarks and prioritises those all over the UI. The Arc tab system is meant to entirely replace all of that. It just makes Zen feel very shallow in comparison. It's just firefox with some goofy Arc features ma…

What are you going to do now that Arc development has stopped and The Browser Company is pivoting? (I'm also a big fan of Arc, especially the Air Traffic Control feature to keep certain sites organized into Spaces.)

Thanks for pointing this out, I didn't know that. However, at least

> Miller said that Arc "isn't going anywhere" and would continue to receive stability updates and bug fixes

https://www.androidauthority.com/the-browser-company-plannin...

Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by lostmsu »

kelipso wrote: post #419
hysan wrote: post #206

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This sums up my experience with everything Firefox. It's why it slowly fell behind in UX and stopped being my primary browser ages ago. I keep giving it a try every year, but the gap between FF and other browsers just keeps getting wider and wider. This is a nice small step, but FF has a long way to go to catchup.

Same. Related example is Chrome and Safari have profiles while Firefox is still stuck in the tab groups era.

Profiles and tab groups serve different purposes.

Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by giancarlostoro »

opello wrote: post #270
giancarlostoro wrote: post #263

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Wow, its a shame that looks unmaintained, that tabbing feature was one of the best things in Firefox at the time.

I still use it successfully, but there are a few annoyances with drag and drop in the panorama view. It isn't as nice as when it was integrated unfortunately.

Wow! That's actually surprising (and not so given how unmaintained it is).
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