Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

Post by porphyra » Wed, Apr 30, 2025, 1:19 PM UTC

sorcerer-mar wrote: post #343

porphyra wrote: post #143

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This Mark Rober video has been debunked several times: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzZhIsGFL6g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cxTO8g47_k

That is not a debunking... That's someone running a similar experiment and getting a different result. That would debunk the claim that Teslas can never detect a painted wall. It does not debunk the claim that Teslas will sometimes fail to detect a painted wall. And in a safety-critical system, the distinction is not mere pedantry.

Post by Retric » Wed, Apr 30, 2025, 1:46 PM UTC

shreezus wrote: post #113

princevegeta89 wrote: post #87

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Actually, we should also realize that they've been super wildly successful at getting people to move towards clean energy vehicles. Prius is the world's highest selling Hybrid car, and it's been that for more than a decade now. This means Toyota has helped cut down emissions from consumer automobiles by a significant degree. It's not the 1000 EVs out of the 100k vehicles that matter, but rather the 10k hybrid vehicle…

Up until recently (~2022/23) Toyota had cumulatively sold more hybrids than all EVs sold by all manufacturers combined, globally. They arguably have the best hybrid drivetrain on the market, and it's gotten to the point where even the Camry (2025 onwards) are exclusively offered as hybrids now.

Post by ajmurmann » Wed, Apr 30, 2025, 2:20 PM UTC

ern wrote: post #92

ajmurmann wrote: post #38

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What is their beef with full-EV? First it was hydrogen fuel cells and now limitation to hybrid. Seems odd at best.

I suspect it's that they build excellent ICE vehicles, and were quick to go to hybrids but missed the rise of EVs. Everything we're seeing is a rearguard action to protect their ICE business.

Post by Retric » Wed, Apr 30, 2025, 2:27 PM UTC

kjkjadksj wrote: post #354

Retric wrote: post #353

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That sounds more impressive than it is actual savings from hybrids is vastly less than EV’s and the ramp up has been extremely quick. Combined mileage from many hybrid power trains is only ~10% better, and the technology inherently adds significant costs/complexity.

They were not getting 45 mpg without hybrid…

Post by mynameisvlad » Wed, Apr 30, 2025, 2:52 PM UTC

ehsankia wrote: post #309

aantix wrote: post #174

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Except there’s FSD videos everywhere on X with every minor release, demonstrating the progress.

There's now a thing called "FSD", yes. But it's not FSD as in Full Self-Driving, as in L4. It's still an L3, the driver still needs to be at the wheel and paying attention. "Full Self Driving" implies L4. What Waymo has, with no one at the wheel, is L4.