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Finland Bans Smartphones in Schools

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Re: Finland Bans Smartphones in Schools

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Post by Cloudef »

cheschire wrote: post #54
GuB-42 wrote: post #50

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The thing is: smartphones exist. The young adults these children will become will live in a world where smartphones are an essential part of their life. Using a smartphone is a practical skill. That's why I don't think banning smartphones is the best idea. It is probably better than unrestricted access, but I feel that school should teach how to use them well instead. It is a bit like with calculators, there are clas…

Cars exist and are foundational to modern living yet we do not push kids to learn to drive until their later teenage years. Some countries wait until they are 18 and others choosing a couple years sooner.

Honestly if driving was teached at school and you get license once you graduate, that would be amazing

Re: Finland Bans Smartphones in Schools

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Post by kube-system »

constantcrying wrote: post #113
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #98

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No, I don’t think that’s true. The 12 years of the pre-uni education set you up for being a member of society. You don’t see it because it became a part of you. You also learned to read, write, all basic math, geography, … The uni taught you more real-world expected skills but I‘m certain you learned more before uni.

Why couldn't I have learned university courses and these other skills at the same time?

> Why couldn't I have learned university courses and these other skills at the same time?

Was that not offered at your school? It was at mine.

University level courses do presume you have some basic skills. But in many places, schools do offer university level courses for those who are prepared.

Re: Finland Bans Smartphones in Schools

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Post by theshackleford »

doublerabbit wrote: post #101
xnorswap wrote: post #93

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People who make statements like that are the kind of people you dread will pick up your pull request. You just know you're going to go from maybe spending an hour cleaning up some suggestions to a 3-day philosophical battle to get them to a point where they deign to accept your PR.

Not at all. If the code is decent and shows effort I have no problem. If it's sloppy it shite code. I really don't have time to care about what my peers think of me. It's work. I don't want to communicate with them outside work. Work is just another mind space that stays at work. I am strict when it comes to code, I expect the same. I want working maintainable code to enable me to do my job. If people dread submittin…

> I don't want to communicate with them outside work. Work isn't a friend zone

Neither of these things was suggested or raised so this is quite a bizarre rant to go on.

Even if you care about neither of those things, what your peers think of you still matters because you must work with them.

Re: Finland Bans Smartphones in Schools

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Post by das_keyboard »

constantcrying wrote: post #133
Y-bar wrote: post #127

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In my nation 16-year olds may work outside of school hours (school is mandatory until they are 18 years old). There are other hard limits on which types of jobs and the time of day they may work. Work shall never interfere with school.

In Germany you can leave school at 16 and work full-time.

That is not true for most states in Germany.

After 10 years of mandatory school most states have what is called "Berufsschulpflicht" until you are at least 18 years old.

That means you have to learn a job, which is not the same as working full-time and still considered education.

Re: Finland Bans Smartphones in Schools

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Post by bluGill »

probably_wrong wrote: post #184
RHSeeger wrote: post #172

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My daughter brings her phone to school with her - If he bus doesn't show up, she can call and ask us to come drive her to school - If she wants to go somewhere after school, she can call us and let us know she won't be home at her normal time - If she forgot something at home, she can call and ask us to bring it - etc, etc, etc There's a ton of reasons for her to have her phone on her. Enough so that, when she gets p…

All of those problems can be solved without smartphones, as evidenced by literally every previous generation dealing with them. If anything, my grumpy self would argue that not having means to contact my parents if I forgot something ensured that I paid more attention the night before to what I had to pack. But I'm open to compromise: let's give children bring dumb phones that can only call and text.

Sure. I remember standing in line at the phone for 10 minutes as a kid waiting for my turn to call my parents when my activity was done. Cell phones are better. Smart phones would mean I could use the time waiting for something.

Smart phones when class is in session is a distraction and should be banned. However outside of class they are helpful.

Re: Finland Bans Smartphones in Schools

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Post by Gormo »

nabla9 wrote: post #150

It had to be a law because children are people in Finland and most Nordic countries with rights that adults just can't take away. Current legislation allows the teacher to tell a student to put their phone away in a pocket or backpack, for example, where it will not be a distraction. The use of phones during breaks cannot be completely banned, as students have fundamental rights. The Constitution guarantees everyone…

> It had to be a law because children are people in Finland and most Nordic countries with rights that adults just can't take away.

It's a strange concept to hold that there are rights that can't be taken away, but then take them away merely by passing legislation.

Re: Finland Bans Smartphones in Schools

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Post by sandos »

RHSeeger wrote: post #172
PeterStuer wrote: post #3

If the goal of school is to develop children into young adults with good reasoning and analytical skills, a basic wholesome world and social model and some practical skills and basic physique, smartphones seem to contribute little and distract a lot from those aims.

My daughter brings her phone to school with her - If he bus doesn't show up, she can call and ask us to come drive her to school - If she wants to go somewhere after school, she can call us and let us know she won't be home at her normal time - If she forgot something at home, she can call and ask us to bring it - etc, etc, etc There's a ton of reasons for her to have her phone on her. Enough so that, when she gets p…

Uh, yes, same exact reasons our kids have their phones with them to school. BUT, the phones are handed in, and when they are handed in during the day, the kids can ask a teacher either for their phone or for getting help using another phone. At the end of the school day, they get their phones back.

I see no problem here.

Re: Finland Bans Smartphones in Schools

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Post by bmn__ »

constantcrying wrote: post #147
watwut wrote: post #135

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Hey, you are the genius who knew it all before learning and got highest possible grades with no effort. Congrats. Overwhelming majority of people is not like that, they do not get highest grades, they do not get into gymnasium without effort, don't pass tests without effort.

Haha, are you serious?

He is. Today is the day you realise that thanks to your innate intelligence you had a time of privilege in school.

Re: Finland Bans Smartphones in Schools

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Post by lossolo »

RHSeeger wrote: post #172
PeterStuer wrote: post #3

If the goal of school is to develop children into young adults with good reasoning and analytical skills, a basic wholesome world and social model and some practical skills and basic physique, smartphones seem to contribute little and distract a lot from those aims.

My daughter brings her phone to school with her - If he bus doesn't show up, she can call and ask us to come drive her to school - If she wants to go somewhere after school, she can call us and let us know she won't be home at her normal time - If she forgot something at home, she can call and ask us to bring it - etc, etc, etc There's a ton of reasons for her to have her phone on her. Enough so that, when she gets p…

She can have a basic phone just for calls—like the ones designed for older people.Or depending on the school, they might have a system where all phones are stored when children arrive and returned after school.
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