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Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

Capricorn2481 wrote: post #265
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's never too late to fix. The problem is the time frame. The changes made thus far present at least a decade of rebuilding to fix, and we're only 100 days in.

> It's never too late to fix. The problem is the time frame. We're never out of time but the problem is time? There is absolutely a point of no return.

Sorry, I should have said:

The problem is the time frame of the fix

If the US ends up a smoking ruin it can still be fixed, it'll just take longer.

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Post by senderista »

linguae wrote: post #237
sneak wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps it‘s the “no true Scotsman” fallacy, but I find it hard to consider anyone enamored with Trump to be legitimately libertarian. The guy basically regards himself as a dictator and his edicts are mega-authoritarian. To me it is logically impossible to reconcile the two positions. You simply can’t be a pro-authoritarian libertarian. You can’t really espouse libertarian values while being what is coded as “cultur…

One of the biggest challenges with the libertarian movement is that it attracts people who like libertarianism not because of the non-aggression principle, but because it enables them to legally engage in certain activities. An example would be how Barry Goldwater, a proto-libertarian, was able to win some solidly Democratic Deep South states in 1964, the first to do so since Reconstruction. It wasn’t because those S…

I've always been amazed that Goldwater's Jewishness wasn't an issue with his right-wing supporters. Did they just not know?

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by henry2023 »

AngryData wrote: post #121

The vast majority of their battery cells are made in China and Japan so im not sure how they even qualify. Oh yeah, corruption.

It’s not corruption it’s just paying back for the votes Elon bought with this 1 million a day program on swing states.

Uhm, wait a moment.

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Post by mmooss »

rayiner wrote: post #254
matwood wrote: post #194

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Back the blue, unless of course it's the Capitol Police.

Most of these examples are good ones, but this one actually isn’t. I don’t know what part of the country you’re from, but in the south violence against the government is treated as distinct from violence against fellow citizens. I don’t want to debate the substance of the view, I’m just pointing out that it’s not actually contradictory like you’re implying. I grew up in virginia when it was a red state, my first reac…

> in the south violence against the government is treated as distinct from violence against fellow citizens

From what I see and know, among conservative supporters violence against police is strongly condemned and to be harshly punished, as is any form of protest that is arguably the slightest bit disruptive.

> chiefly concerned with protecting the majority from the government.

In fact, by their actions, they make the government - police and prosecutors - free to abuse people in almost any way with no reprocussions. One of the latest Trump executive orders even tells the DoJ to go after any legal authority prosecuting police.

And by their actions, they are chiefly concerned with using the government to persecute and suppress anyone they disagree with.

> 60s ... traditional

It's a nice tactic to try to attribute those who disagree to a passing fancy, and your beliefs to 'tradition'.

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Post by mindslight »

alephnerd wrote: post #244
endianswap wrote: post #243

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What regulators lol

Most recently, Ford for violating the "Chicken Tax" - https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ford-p... And that was under the Biden admin, which was much less pushy. The Trump admin is much more vindictive, especially with a policy that appears to be backed personally by DJT. Here are some interesting legal articles discussing this very thing in the Trump admin https://www.morganlewis.com/pubs/2025/02/…

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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by mmooss »

guywithahat wrote: post #70

I wonder how much their lack of union plays into this. The auto factories fled Flint/Detroit due to the UAW basically an attempt to limit the scope of strikes and violence from the UAW. Tesla doesn't have to worry about unions (at least yet), and so they have very centralized factories where an enormous amount of work is done. Probably makes it easier to do everything in the US if you can do it all in one building

> The auto factories fled Flint/Detroit due to the UAW basically an attempt to limit the scope of strikes and violence from the UAW.

That is the story the auto companies like to tell, to make unions look damaging to workers and communities. From what I've read, the migration had a lot to do with race. But regardless, do either of us have any evidence to share? (not me right now)

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Post by henry2023 »

iamtheworstdev wrote: post #228
wahern wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla builds Model 3s and Ys in their Shanghai factory using almost entirely domestically sourced components, and even exports a fair number from there. But perhaps the trade war will reduce demand.

BYD is eating their lunch.

Well, better cars at a lower price tag and their CEO doesn’t seem to like doing “Roman” salutes.

If they were allowed to the US market we know what would happen here.

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Post by gtowey »

Capricorn2481 wrote: post #255
nkrisc wrote: post #242

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And yet he dominates the party. How could that be without popular support from the party base?

Because Fox, and Newsmax work overtime to convince people that Trump wouldn't do the things he said, and he'll actually do the good things people want. And that if anything bad happens, it's the aftershock of previous administrations (of which, Trump's is exempt, of course). You don't have to be tapped in to see that whatever is said on Fox becomes Republican dogma very quickly. That's why half the country is more co…

50 years of attacks on our education systems have yielded exactly what was intended: a nation so poorly educated that they cannot discern truth from fiction anymore.

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Post by mindslight »

intermerda wrote: post #25
rectang wrote: post #7

I have zero faith in "free market" ideologues, because what we actually get when they gain power is just favoritism for "free market" ideologues.

You can extend the "free market ideologues" to include more groups such as those who were very concerned about free speech for exactly four years from 2021-2024. Same people were concerned about politicization of justice department, but only when certain Presidents are in office. Same goes for "respect for constitution". "Family values" was abandoned quite a while ago. Wilhoit’s Law has never been truer.

Don't forget Kenneth Walker's second amendment rights. You could understand some failing to live up to their values if they were minor issues, but it's like all of their core issues. About the only thing that seems consistent is wanting to harm their fellow citizens that they perceive as different.

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Post by mmooss »

alwa wrote: post #100
gehwartzen wrote: post #31

How is the unit for domestic component content defined? Is a screw a component in the same way a windshield is? Is it by weight? By cost?

It appears that the American Automobile Labeling Act measures domestic content on a value basis (that is, the amount the manufacturer pays the supplier for it): https://www.nhtsa.gov/part-583-american-automobile-labeling-...

Does that include tariffs?
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