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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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I don't think most Republicans want the destruction of our country so no I don't think he's an accurate reflection

And yet he dominates the party. How could that be without popular support from the party base?

It’s easy to dominate the party as long as you have 51% of the primary voters, which in 2024 was about 20% of registered Republicans.

Essentially if you have the very strong support of 10-15% of the party voters, you’re untouchable.

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Even in normal times regulators don't take kindly to origination fraud even, so it's highly unlikely anyone will risk it with an admin like the current one. Look at what happened to Amazon earlier today and SentinelOne last week. Most manufacturers will eat the cost and raise prices to a certain extent. Base models of any product tend to be manufactured in such as way that they have much looser margins.

what happened to SentinelOne last week? :o

I meant 2 weeks ago - Chris Krebs "resigned" and S1 had to do a lot of damage control around their Fed business (which is significant as a cybersecurity vendor).

Won't be surprised if Stamos quietly "resigns" in a couple months as well.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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I'm not sure even Tesla unambiguously qualifies here. Looking at the NHTSA part 583 list for 2025 [0], none of the Tesla vehicles have a "US" content higher than 75% (which I think includes Canada?). The highest is the base Kia EV6 at 80%. This seems to be coming from the Kogod manufacturing index. That's a more qualitative ranking that attempts to deal with things like corporate structures rather than just origin li…

Interesting, does the proportion by weight, size, value or count? eg a EV battery could be 25% of the weight, 50% of the cost and 0.01% of the number of parts.

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I'm not sure even Tesla unambiguously qualifies here. Looking at the NHTSA part 583 list for 2025 [0], none of the Tesla vehicles have a "US" content higher than 75% (which I think includes Canada?). The highest is the base Kia EV6 at 80%. This seems to be coming from the Kogod manufacturing index. That's a more qualitative ranking that attempts to deal with things like corporate structures rather than just origin li…

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Nation-wide Chesterton's Fence happening right now, with people learning a hard lesson soon enough. Let's just hope it won't be too late to repair their broken systems.

It's never too late to fix. The problem is the time frame. The changes made thus far present at least a decade of rebuilding to fix, and we're only 100 days in.

> It's never too late to fix. The problem is the time frame.

We're never out of time but the problem is time? There is absolutely a point of no return.

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Nonsense. Does anyone seriously think the military is going to defy SCOTUS at the end of the four years? Does anyone seriously think Jan 6th, bad as it was, was going to end the republic[0]? Such hyperbole is dangerous at best when people take it seriously. [0] Especially because what it tells our enemies. Iran, take out just this one specific building, and America is done for!

What did the military do on Jan 6? They stood back and did nothing. That wasn’t an actual coup because some Capitol Police had the balls to do their job and Vice President Pence is a patriot. I’m sure the next time around anyone “untrustworthy” in the police force will have been removed, and the national Guard in surrounding states will have routine training in Alaska.

People don't generally show up unarmed for a coup.

I'm not sure what it was, but it surely wasn't a coup.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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I'm not sure even Tesla unambiguously qualifies here. Looking at the NHTSA part 583 list for 2025 [0], none of the Tesla vehicles have a "US" content higher than 75% (which I think includes Canada?). The highest is the base Kia EV6 at 80%. This seems to be coming from the Kogod manufacturing index. That's a more qualitative ranking that attempts to deal with things like corporate structures rather than just origin li…

If the origins are so fuzzy, I guess other manufacturers would very soon adjust their part lists/part origins to avoid the tariff?

Fuzzy is a feature, not a flaw. It allows the president to unilaterally pick winner and losers.

Other manufacturers can do all sorts of things to try to be compliant, but ultimately the only way to be in compliance is to bend the knee.

They’re welcome to sue, but that could take years and millions to figure out.

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I am kind of surprised that the collection of people at the tops of all the big companies commanding so many billions, don't have some sort of behind the scenes levers they can pull to make him squeal like a pig, elected office or no. I can only assume they're all actually largely ok with it. I would not have imagined that they just never thought about things like that in general and now have actually no idea what to…

>now have actually no idea what to do now that this kind of situation has happened They know what they would do, if this were under any other president: make phone calls, write editorials in major newspapers, start donating to future political rivals. But this is Trump. He's surrounded by equally corrupt lackeys, and immediately fires anyone showing a shred of morality. The entire federal government does his bidding.…

What about the voters that vote out members of Congress because they go against Trump?

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That's pure speculation, but quite possible. Corruption is nothing new in Washington. The real question is whether people support bringing auto manufacturing back to America. As always, people who like the policy/candidate/official will overlook the corruption, while people who dislike the policy/candidate/official complain about it. The people who demanded evidence about Biden will accept speculation about Trump, ju…

Murder is nothing new in my city - people have been doing it for centuries. Warfare, famine, epidemics are nothing new in most parts of the world.

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He is right you know. He managed to fleece dems and is now fleecing the other side. Neutral observer can only stay in awe of his talents.

Thanks, I am indeed talking as a neutral observer. It's been almost 7 years since I realized how much of a nutcase he is. Some democrats only realized it 8 months ago.

> Some democrats only realized it 8 months ago

This is some wild revisionist history. Democrats have been sounding off about Musk for years. He endorsed Trump way back in 2020. Nobody is learning anything new about him. On the contrary, everyone is dug in with how they feel about him because it's too late to do anything about it, so they might as well pretend everything is fine.

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