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Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by dredmorbius »

ziddoap wrote: post #80
radicality wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Damn, 2k tabs, I’m not familiar with sideberry but with 2k of them are they even right to be called native ‘tabs’ or do they function more like bookmarks? > computational costs are close to zero Is that true for normal Firefox tabs (I usually use chrome/safari) ? Wouldn’t each one still use up some memory, keep any background tasks running etc. If some tab starts playing audio how do you even find it?

> Wouldn’t each one still use up some memory Firefox unloads tabs that haven't recently been used, or as memory approaches system limits. You can also manually unload your least-recently-used loaded tab.

Not sufficiently in my experience.

Is this a user setting / tunable for aggressiveness?

Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by snapplebobapple »

kryptn wrote: post #300
hardwaresofton wrote: post #238

Wow, this is a fantastic feature that was heavily requested, and HN cannot stop being negative. Great job Mozilla. I was already using the awesome “Simple Tab Groups” extension for this but will look into switching.

I've been liking the new vertical tabs too.

How does it compare to sidebery? I use the vertical tabs on that and quite like it but only found them because of another feature, per container socks5 (one for local ip and a few to strategically placed cheap vps to override my network default mullvad vpn tunneling as needed)

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Post by dredmorbius »

iworshipfaangs2 wrote: post #75
alabastervlog wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not consistent about going back and closing tabs. By the time I've browsed on a couple topics, I have enough tabs open I can't see the titles any more, and it's downhill from there. Some of them, I think "this is good, I'll come back to this when I get a chance" so I don't want to mass-close them. Eventually I'm opening new tabs of tabs I already have open, because it's faster than finding the original. Every now…

Good lord! If you mass bookmark, aren't you just turning your bookmarks into your history? In that case why not just use browser history instead?

History is comprehensive, bookmarking is curated.

It's possible to edit history, but it's easier and more useful to edit bookmarks: removing (as with history), but also tagging, annotating, and/or organising.

Heap'o'clothes on the floor vs. a well-organised bureau or closet.

Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by dredmorbius »

alabastervlog wrote: post #7
canadianwriter wrote: post #3

I never have more than like 10 tabs open at a time, so likely wont be helpful to me, but I find this super interesting! Can someone explain what normal people use so many tabs for? It seems to be super common to have tons and tons open. Are people using tabs as a soft bookmark of basically anything interesting? Afraid to close the page because they wont find it in their history or bookmarks? Is this more an issue wit…

I'm not consistent about going back and closing tabs. By the time I've browsed on a couple topics, I have enough tabs open I can't see the titles any more, and it's downhill from there. Some of them, I think "this is good, I'll come back to this when I get a chance" so I don't want to mass-close them. Eventually I'm opening new tabs of tabs I already have open, because it's faster than finding the original. Every now…

Tree-style tabs lets you close an entire (sub)tree of tabs at once, should you choose to do so.

It's also useful to start new projects in a new window, and let the tree structure build up in that as you progress. You can close parts or all of that window as you've concluded with them.

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Post by snapplebobapple »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #36
canadianwriter wrote: post #3

I never have more than like 10 tabs open at a time, so likely wont be helpful to me, but I find this super interesting! Can someone explain what normal people use so many tabs for? It seems to be super common to have tons and tons open. Are people using tabs as a soft bookmark of basically anything interesting? Afraid to close the page because they wont find it in their history or bookmarks? Is this more an issue wit…

I have almost 2000 tabs open. I use sideberry for tab management. > Are people using tabs as a soft bookmark of basically anything interesting? Yep, that's as good a description as any. I have a lot of tabs that I'm not "finished with" in any finite amount of time. Case in point: currently shopping for a steam generator for a steam shower. I have about 30-40 tabs open to different models, stores, reviews, data pages…

If relaxamist still exists and is in your region check them out. I have been using my 2.5kw steam generator daily with zero maintenance for 11 years now. Been very happy.

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

ryandrake wrote: post #200

These HN threads with people that have 20K tabs living for years are so wild! I guess I'm the only savage in the world who closes my browser window and quits the browser application whenever I'm done with my computer for the day. I occasionally use tabs to temporarily have one or two web pages open at a time, usually because I need to browse/compare both of them actively, but when I'm not actively reading a page, I s…

There's a manager I've worked with and someone had a great description of her:

"She operates like a phone that hasn't been rebooted in too long"

My (admittedly unapologetically judgemental) view is that people that need more than a couple of tabs open from one day to the next are either too disorganised to bookmark the pages or are trying to juggle an obviously unreasonable and unsustainable number of topics. I find everything interesting, so I want to read and re-visit a LOT, but because of that it's become obvious to me that 99.9% of the time I'm never going to get back to that interesting thing (and if it's ends up being worthwhile enough then I'm sure I'll come across it again or be able to find it if and when I have the time).

I'm like you in that I almost make a point of closing all the tabs when I close the browser - and I often close the browser on a daily basis.

There's someone else I know who has multiple browser windows each with multiple tabs, and they just don't shutdown their computer because it's "state" represents where they are in their overall workflow. To me, that indicates a number of problems.

Caveat: I occasionally rely on the browser, upon start-up, re-opening the same tab/tabs (usually a maximum of two tabs) that were open when I closed the browser the previous day.

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Post by pdntspa »

quesera wrote: post #175
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have almost 2000 tabs open. I use sideberry for tab management. > Are people using tabs as a soft bookmark of basically anything interesting? Yep, that's as good a description as any. I have a lot of tabs that I'm not "finished with" in any finite amount of time. Case in point: currently shopping for a steam generator for a steam shower. I have about 30-40 tabs open to different models, stores, reviews, data pages…

> I have almost 2000 tabs open. I use sideberry for tab management. I'm just here to report that Firefox + Sidebery continues to work perfectly well at 14571 "open" tabs. All but a few hundred are unloaded, and I block JavaScript fairly aggressively. Currently measuring 1992 MB, explicitly allocated. I won't argue with anyone who tells me that I have a problem, but I will say that Firefox and Sidebery make my problem…

This sort of thing sounds like a fantastic use of Firefox's bookmarks system.

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Post by eviks »

maccard wrote: post #278
eviks wrote: post #144

Glad thousands of users who managed to find their feature voting site pushed Mozilla to do a few baby steps Though the current interface isn't good - mandatory group names (which also waste space in the precious tab bar by default) and inability to ungroup with a single key (due to naming conflict) - adds too much friction. Also drag&drop to group is too precise, but also can't be disable, so now you can't reliably m…

Mozilla can’t win. They implement a feature and this is one of the top comments from the community that should be its target audience,

Why would you expect a poor implementation of a feature available in competing browsers to have any chance of winning?

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Post by sberder »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #288

> Other browsers might send your tab info to the cloud, but Firefox keeps it on your device. Your tabs stay private and never leave your device. I guess it answer my question about having tab groups sync to mobile phone. Maybe in 3 more year..

This seems to be a quote aimed at the AI feature, not the syncing.

Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by pxc »

dredmorbius wrote: post #311
ziddoap wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Wouldn’t each one still use up some memory Firefox unloads tabs that haven't recently been used, or as memory approaches system limits. You can also manually unload your least-recently-used loaded tab.

Not sufficiently in my experience. Is this a user setting / tunable for aggressiveness?

There are various extensions that use the native "discard" API that is enabled by default, but give you more knobs to tweak. If you search for "discard tab" in the add-ons store, you'll find a bunch.

I use this one: https://webextension.org/listing/tab-discard.html

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