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Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by bunderbunder »

intermerda wrote: post #25
rectang wrote: post #7

I have zero faith in "free market" ideologues, because what we actually get when they gain power is just favoritism for "free market" ideologues.

You can extend the "free market ideologues" to include more groups such as those who were very concerned about free speech for exactly four years from 2021-2024. Same people were concerned about politicization of justice department, but only when certain Presidents are in office. Same goes for "respect for constitution". "Family values" was abandoned quite a while ago. Wilhoit’s Law has never been truer.

I have come to believe that many people's political attitudes can be boiled down to a single uniting element: an overwhelming fear that other people might do to them the kinds of things that they would absolutely do to other people if given half a chance.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by sinuhe69 »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #123

I'm not sure even Tesla unambiguously qualifies here. Looking at the NHTSA part 583 list for 2025 [0], none of the Tesla vehicles have a "US" content higher than 75% (which I think includes Canada?). The highest is the base Kia EV6 at 80%. This seems to be coming from the Kogod manufacturing index. That's a more qualitative ranking that attempts to deal with things like corporate structures rather than just origin li…

If the origins are so fuzzy, I guess other manufacturers would very soon adjust their part lists/part origins to avoid the tariff?

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Post by _2d30 »

A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 wrote: post #134
_2d30 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am kind of surprised that the collection of people at the tops of all the big companies commanding so many billions, don't have some sort of behind the scenes levers they can pull to make him squeal like a pig, elected office or no. The "US is an oligarchy, the corporations are in control" was always a false narrative.

Huh? If anything, it now should be clearer than ever that it has been for a long time. The only difference is that the oligarch that happens to be benefiting from it is in the public spotlight, associated with and part of the current administration, and at the same time main guy for several publicly owned companies. If the other oligarchs seem to be doing nothing, it is not because they have no power to wield. Good g…

> If the other oligarchs seem to be doing nothing, it is not because they have no power to wield.

Good grief, this is just an axiomatic belief, then. No evidence will sway you one way or another.

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Post by sumeno »

andrekandre wrote: post #176
potato3732842 wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyday people have been clamoring for some sort of change for a long time. 00s at least. It reached a boiling point in the late 2010s and you had a nearly parallel rise of Trump and Bernie. The difference is that the republicans couldn't keep a lid on Trump and his backers like the democrats did to Bernie. So Trump got in and then politicians "built in his image" started getting elected all over the place. So now t…

> reflect what voters want. and what do they want?

For life to be worse for the people they don't like. They just didn't expect it to be worse for them too

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Post by bunderbunder »

matwood wrote: post #194
sidibe wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't forget being "for the rule of law".

Back the blue, unless of course it's the Capitol Police.

Or, in my city, the cops who blew the whistle on other cops for electrocuting people's testicles as a means of extracting forced confessions. The "back the blue" crowd absolutely hates those guys.

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Post by vharuck »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #29

I am kind of surprised that the collection of people at the tops of all the big companies commanding so many billions, don't have some sort of behind the scenes levers they can pull to make him squeal like a pig, elected office or no. I can only assume they're all actually largely ok with it. I would not have imagined that they just never thought about things like that in general and now have actually no idea what to…

>now have actually no idea what to do now that this kind of situation has happened

They know what they would do, if this were under any other president: make phone calls, write editorials in major newspapers, start donating to future political rivals.

But this is Trump. He's surrounded by equally corrupt lackeys, and immediately fires anyone showing a shred of morality. The entire federal government does his bidding. He sues news media until they settle with him for millions, signs executive orders banning specific law firms from working with the federal government until they offer him millions in legal services, cuts off money from states that dare defy his will, and demands universities let the federal government investigate all staff in Middle East studies. Any business leader who stands up to him will be crushed. The best way to keep making money is to get on his good side, like Elon.

This is literally tyranny. Thank goodness there are plenty of judges willing to stand against the obviously illegal acts.

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Post by zelphirkalt »

jayd16 wrote: post #139
legitster wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump was never actually a "free market" idealogue. And the GOP officially dropped any mentions of it from their party platform a few years ago. If anything, they are doing exactly what they promised. They were against globalism and elites and international agreements and governance and they are being true to their words.

Against elites but appoints billionaire cronies. Make it make sense.

When I read "elites" it always makes me wonder what kind of elites are meant. Surely not elites in intelligence or wisdom and knowledge. Does it mean just having tons of money? What does it mean to be an elite university in contrast to being an elite person?

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Post by akoboldfrying »

kristopolous wrote: post #185
aswanson wrote: post #23

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Same. This era has exposed them as the shameless hypocrites they are.

It was always about power accumulation. Integrity, honesty, and principles is literally what they mean by the word "woke" when they harass people for being it.

> Integrity, honesty, and principles is literally what they mean by the word "woke"

No it isn't, and saying things like this just adds noise. What they mean by the word "woke" is a worldview that delegitimises the things they aspire to or worked hard for (status based on power based on individual agency), and prioritises other forms of social currency (victimisation by external forces) in a way they find performative.

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Post by iamtheworstdev »

A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 wrote: post #144
matt3210 wrote: post #107

It’s pretty coincidental. I can’t help but wonder if the number was picked for this outcome

What I personally find more interesting is that they consciously did not choose a more conciliatory number ( like 80 ), which would capture more cars and have the benefit of being able to deflect attacks. Almost like it was intended to cause uproar. Otoh, I listened to conservative ratio the other day and the general tone was "good, he is making them mad and he doesn't care."

that's what gets them excited.. "owning the libs"

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Post by lenerdenator »

porphyra wrote: post #164
lenerdenator wrote: post #115

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> In the long run, unions can be blamed for this whole Trump Presidency. Yeah, how dare they do the things that make reactionaries be... reactionary.

The democrats also tried to pass legislation in 2021 that excludes Tesla from an EV credit due to it being not built by unions, even though Tesla has by far the largest share of electric vehicles and is the most productive and innovative company in this sector.

Yeah we wouldn't want the people making the product having representation and getting a larger share of the take on the sale of said product.
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