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Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by yareally »

bushido wrote: post #56
Aloisius wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Volvo has had a program for decades where they fly you to Sweden where drive a vehicle around long enough for it to be "used", buy it then they ship it over to the US to avoid US new car import tariffs.

Very surprised to learn that this is real https://www.volvocars.com/us/l/osd-tourist/ Pretty cool. Lots more info on reddit threads.

Audi, BMW and Mercedes did this as well until a few years ago.

https://www.capitalone.com/cars/learn/finding-the-right-car/...

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by _2d30 »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #29

I am kind of surprised that the collection of people at the tops of all the big companies commanding so many billions, don't have some sort of behind the scenes levers they can pull to make him squeal like a pig, elected office or no. I can only assume they're all actually largely ok with it. I would not have imagined that they just never thought about things like that in general and now have actually no idea what to…

> I am kind of surprised that the collection of people at the tops of all the big companies commanding so many billions, don't have some sort of behind the scenes levers they can pull to make him squeal like a pig, elected office or no.

The "US is an oligarchy, the corporations are in control" was always a false narrative.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by assimpleaspossi »

marcusb wrote: post #45
bix6 wrote: post #33

It’s funny cybertruck doesn’t make the cut, unfortunately nobody buys those so it’s irrelevant.

I see them quite frequently where I live, usually covered in a vinyl wrap advertising some local business or other.

In St Louis, I see them everywhere, too. Not as advertising but just driving around town.

There's a mall that closed and, for a while, there were hundreds parked in that lot waiting to be sold (and they were).

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by Rapzid »

Aloisius wrote: post #38

Sure it's 85% now, but what about tomorrow? Next week? Next month? This administration's policy decisions aren't particularly stable.

I would be surprised if Ford does anything drastic with their supply chain. Probably just wait this out. POTUS is going to be stripped of this ridiculous tariff "power" one way or another.

* Bogus emergency is up for review

* Congress discussing stripping power

* Constitutionality in question

* Public going to to bury them in the midterms if this keeps up

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by moralestapia »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #90
moralestapia wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Then the exact same discussion will come up with a different number No? The point is there is no reason for the number 85 other than benefiting Tesla. The metacognitive question should be how one should estimate that variable in a way which balances disruption with incentivising the desired outcome.

Explain how the number 90 would be different than the number 85?

Provide source for any claims you make.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by woah »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #29

I am kind of surprised that the collection of people at the tops of all the big companies commanding so many billions, don't have some sort of behind the scenes levers they can pull to make him squeal like a pig, elected office or no. I can only assume they're all actually largely ok with it. I would not have imagined that they just never thought about things like that in general and now have actually no idea what to…

You're so wedded to your overly simplistic and conspiratorial worldview that everything is a secret plan by "the elites", that now you've had to invent a new conspiracy about how they all had a secret plan to lose themselves billions of dollars.

Sometimes a stupid guy gets elected by low-information voters, and enacts stupid policies that crash the economy. There isn't any secret illuminati meeting where they can tell him to stop.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by ivape »

porphyra wrote: post #82
guywithahat wrote: post #70

I wonder how much their lack of union plays into this. The auto factories fled Flint/Detroit due to the UAW basically an attempt to limit the scope of strikes and violence from the UAW. Tesla doesn't have to worry about unions (at least yet), and so they have very centralized factories where an enormous amount of work is done. Probably makes it easier to do everything in the US if you can do it all in one building

In the long run, unions can be blamed for this whole Trump Presidency. Biden was pressured by unions to snub Tesla at the EV summit. This personally offended Elon, who then went to support Trump with all sorts of tactics including buying Twitter to amplify his voice.

Is Citizen's United the only thing that allowed one person to donate $150 million? This is the obvious flaw. We would need a RICO type framework to identify the basket of vectors that one person/organization can use to funnel money to a candidate. This is a bipartisan issue but I don't know how we can surface the narrative so more people can talk about it.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by qwerpy »

joshdavham wrote: post #9

This is crony capitalism.

What should we call it when the other side does things in the opposite direction? https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/wa-legisl...

Punitive legislation? Lawfare? Crony capitalism but for the other companies?

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by frabcus »

crazygringo wrote: post #49
asdsadasdasd123 wrote: post #42

I dont understand what this article means. Tesla's aren't imported so why would there be tariffs on them. The source link leads nowhere.

It seems to be about a tariff rebate on imported parts .

Right but presumably 85% of the parts aren't imported? So while it is a benefit, it is a slightly bizarre one?

Would be nice to see a technical definition for how the % imported is worked out.

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