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Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

#81

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What did the military do on Jan 6? They stood back and did nothing. That wasn’t an actual coup because some Capitol Police had the balls to do their job and Vice President Pence is a patriot. I’m sure the next time around anyone “untrustworthy” in the police force will have been removed, and the national Guard in surrounding states will have routine training in Alaska.

> They stood back and did nothing There's no reason to have a full allergic reaction to a mosquito bite.

The mob was literally minutes away from congressional people. They further kept those same congresspeople surrounded and locked up for hours until Trump called them off.

Ashley Babbitt died because she broken through the last barrier between the mob and congress. Had this mob been armed (and there were plans of being armed that were ultimately scuttled), it could have been a blood bath. There was only a handful of LEO between the mob and congress.

This wasn't a "mosquito bite".

Now, what would have changed if the mob had their way with congress or the supreme court? Who knows. For the SC, it'd have given trump the ability to put in more yes men to rubber stamp his election loss narrative.

For congress, the plan was literally to have congressional collaborators challenge the validity of the election (which still happened) to take power. If many democrat reps lost their life, then yes, congress could have rubberstamped a trump victory. Very few republicans stood up to trump or his plans.

"What could they have done", the answer is kill a bunch of congress people in the opposing party to empower their party.

This was a big deal.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

#82

I wonder how much their lack of union plays into this. The auto factories fled Flint/Detroit due to the UAW basically an attempt to limit the scope of strikes and violence from the UAW. Tesla doesn't have to worry about unions (at least yet), and so they have very centralized factories where an enormous amount of work is done. Probably makes it easier to do everything in the US if you can do it all in one building

In the long run, unions can be blamed for this whole Trump Presidency.

Biden was pressured by unions to snub Tesla at the EV summit. This personally offended Elon, who then went to support Trump with all sorts of tactics including buying Twitter to amplify his voice.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

#83

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5 percentage points should be easy enough for them to change then by moving a few supply chains.

So make it 90% and don’t give Tesla the special treatment.

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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

#84

I don't know if it's the same people but many of the comments here seem the opposite of the comments on EUs rules where people say they're targeting specific companies and comments say "no, the rules are such than all companies over a certain size are covered". If the rule is 85% domestic than any company can do it. I'm not saying the tariffs are good. Only that their point is to get things made domesticly

> I'm not saying the tariffs are good. Only that their point is to get things made domesticly

...or to create massive stock market front-running opportunities with plausible deniability.

"But, but, Hanlon's razor!". Sorry, but at this level of responsibility, incompetence equals malice.

We fscking all have to live with the consequences. That includes those of us who could not vote for an alternative.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

#86

Won't safe his Chinese sales though

Tesla builds Model 3s and Ys in their Shanghai factory using almost entirely domestically sourced components, and even exports a fair number from there. But perhaps the trade war will reduce demand.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Musk became CEO of Tesla when their only car was an electric converted Lotus...

Yeah, I think we should try to separate his business acumen from his nut-case personality. He can be a successful businessman AND a fucking prick.

Who made his initial fortune as an illegal immigrant.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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I have zero faith in "free market" ideologues, because what we actually get when they gain power is just favoritism for "free market" ideologues.

Trump was never actually a "free market" idealogue. And the GOP officially dropped any mentions of it from their party platform a few years ago. If anything, they are doing exactly what they promised. They were against globalism and elites and international agreements and governance and they are being true to their words.

Like launching a private $500k membership club for elites:

https://www.the-independent.com/life-style/donald-trump-jr-m...

True to their word!

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

#89
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I have zero faith in "free market" ideologues, because what we actually get when they gain power is just favoritism for "free market" ideologues.

Trump is in no way a free market ideologue and has made that very clear. Or are you talking about Elon?

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

#90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So make it 90% and don’t give Tesla the special treatment.

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> Then the exact same discussion will come up with a different number

No?

The point is there is no reason for the number 85 other than benefiting Tesla. The metacognitive question should be how one should estimate that variable in a way which balances disruption with incentivising the desired outcome.

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