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Re: ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

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Post by shadowgovt »

lazyeye wrote: post #852
shadowgovt wrote: post #804

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They should count toward the electoral college in the census. The authority the states hold over the functioning of the federal government should be a function of the number of people the states are responsible for. Purely hypothetically, if red States don't like this they could address the issue by adopting policies that encourage immigrants, undocumented and otherwise, to come to their states.

Or not hypothetically, the govt could just enforce the law as it stands. This appears to be what people voted for.

The people voted to lower the price of eggs. If the people had voted for this, the President's approval rating wouldn't be lower right now than it was the last time he was in office.

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Post by PleasureBot »

rsyring wrote: post #203
elmerfud wrote: post #5

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Your last statement is correct. They are just emboldened by the current political environment. Any law enforcement has a problem where all they see is criminals all day everyday, now we know they aren't always criminals, but that's their view point. There should be sufficient checks and balances to ensure that due process is still upheld. What we're seeing now is the lack of checks because law enforcement feels they…

Without qualified immunity, no one in their right mind would want to work in law enforcement. LE would become an easy target for malicious litigation where the cost/effort to defend would, itself, be the weapon, regardless of whether or not the lawsuits were won. LE personnel would have to get insurance, like doctors, which would be crazy expensive and, considering their pay scale, unaffordable. I don't like some of…

I completely disagree. It still blows my mind that Law Enforcement Officers are the only group of people for whom ignorance of the law is an acceptable defense.

Re: ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

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Post by anonfordays »

This ended up being fake news:

  Justice Department attorneys argued that it was in the child's best interest to remain in her mother's legal custody and suggested the child could return, writing, "V.M.L. is not prohibited from entering the United States."

  Trump administration officials told the court that the mother had informed ICE agents that she wanted to bring V.M.L. with her to Honduras, providing a handwritten note in Spanish that they said confirmed her wishes.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-administration-deport-us-chil...

Re: ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

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Post by tremon »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #609
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #605

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> states need to stand up and fight ICE We honestly need a Democrat governor to grow a pair and begin arresting ICE agents unlawfully detaining and kidnapping people. Then let the FBI and Bondi escalate it into a full-blown states' rights issue.

I’m so tired of how pussy democrats are. The moderate wing is so dominated by corporate money that they’ll never do it and just let American fascism happen. The left in America is ran by geriatrics (Bernie) or unelectable young people (AOC). None of them have the guile to do what you’ve said (or rather to pressure and call for the governors to do that). The left has a pussyfooting problem. The left is beta, and has s…

So... we're blaming everyone except for the people who played (and are playing) an active role in this fascist takeover?

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Post by stefap2 »

shadowgovt wrote: post #801
stefap2 wrote: post #659

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I think the retrospection should be why the massive influx was allowed to happen between 2020 to 2024. Because it did happened before, so it's not like we didn't know this will/can happen. There should be massive increase in processing of claims. Not extrajudciary deporting people. Why would somebody predict extrajudicial deporting if that hasn't happened before?

It did happen before. The last time we made this guy president.

Fair point. Although it seems more excessive this time arround.

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Post by anonfordays »

Waterluvian wrote: post #377
whoknowsidont wrote: post #351

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When you're a sheltered suburbanite nerd (yeah, even the "rural" ones) who will never have to truly worry about being in this situation, this is just an exciting news story to squabble over and smugly flounder about on your keyboard. Deplorable.

I feel more disgusted by the Americans who know this is wrong but do nothing. I have no patience for evil people, but the truly damned are all the Americans who know and sense better but do not or cannot act properly. If deporting U.S. CITIZEN CHILDREN does not send you to the streets with fire and fury, you are well and truly lost. So much damn talk over the decades I've been alive about patriotism and liberty from…

>If deporting U.S. CITIZEN CHILDREN does not send you to the streets with fire and fury, you are well and truly lost.

This ended up being fake news. Who would gain from enraging Americans with divisive fake news?

  Justice Department attorneys argued that it was in the child's best interest to remain in her mother's legal custody and suggested the child could return, writing, "V.M.L. is not prohibited from entering the United States."

  Trump administration officials told the court that the mother had informed ICE agents that she wanted to bring V.M.L. with her to Honduras, providing a handwritten note in Spanish that they said confirmed her wishes.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-administration-deport-us-chil...

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Post by JackYoustra »

remarkEon wrote: post #859
JackYoustra wrote: post #851

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> Qualitative aspects name them! > Haven't read the Mariel study then stop making short-run supply shock claims > Cubans just replicated their own economic structures in a hyper-contained locality, with significant ethnic solidarity given a shared history of hardship Damn if only there was a way to study assimilation. Wait, there is, we have, and if you look a few replies up you'll see that its basically a complete s…

Well, if it were real people wouldn’t have voted for Trump. What you’ve presented is, like I keep saying, the most unconvincing tidbit of minor benefits. You seem totally uninterested in addressing the problem, that no one cares about this study and what it says because it’s such a tiny effect on the margins, utterly impossible to translate into daily life. I’ll keep making whatever claims I want, and you can keep ga…

> now I really won’t read the Mariel study

spite driven willful ignorance is something that I didn't expect to find when starting this conversation.

I'm mostly looking for you to retract your claim about how short-run supply shocks must obviously show up in wages and employment.

EDIT: also nowhere does it require fiscal outlays for assimilation, the single biggest thing is expedited provision of work permits, which is obviously fiscally positive.

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Post by nineplay »

orwin wrote: post #711
nineplay wrote: post #557

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> stop supporting moderate politicians that appeal to no damn person I think you are right but I think half of democratic voters think the party has gone too left ( abortion, gender politics ) while half thinks it has gone too far right. The democratic party is trying to have it both ways and utterly failing, but in their defense I don't think fully embracing either side will be enough for them to win. The problem is…

What did the US democratic party ever do that was considered too left wing? Not said or wishcast, what material thing did they implement that was too left wing on abortion? Theoretically, abortion in the US used to be extremely liberal (in the original meaning of the word liberal). Materially? No one wait week 22 for an abortion unless it's an emergency, considering the damage it does. The percentage of childbirth de…

> What did the US democratic party ever do that was considered too left wing?

Jack shit probably but that doesn't mean right-leaning Democrats are going to vote for Bernie Sanders and cross their fingers that none of his proposals get enacted.

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Post by belorn »

pintxo wrote: post #823
belorn wrote: post #670

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If people of the past would have followed that argument, we would not have seen the declaration of human rights of the French Revolution, not have had the civil war, slaves might still be slaves. Hitler’s successors would reign Europe. Sometimes good people have to do what is necessary, even when it means to make things worse initially. No, are we in such a moment now? I don’t know, but that’s the problem, right? You…

When it come to Hitler people will generally approve of political assassinations and infanticide if it would have meant that Hitler were killed before world war 2. Any benefit that society would have gain if those methods would had been established as the norm would however be dwarfed from the negatives. Sometimes bad methods make things initially better, but long term has terrible consequences.

As a minor historical perspective. The French Revolution is know in Europe as one of the bloodiest period in France under the name of Reign of Terror, and ended with Napoleon who then initiated the Napoleonic Wars, which is also know as one of the biggest war in Europe.

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Post by fc417fc802 »

NoahZuniga wrote: post #842
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #592

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> every individual involved in this is making a personal choice to let this happen. To be fair, you and I are involved. I'm on vacation in Mexico. You're presumably also doing something comfortable. We've had, in the span of days, a judge arrested in her court room and multiple U.S. citizens--children, no less---illegally detained and deported. It's blowing my mind to say this. But the right is clearly using violence…

> a judge arrested in her court room But she did something illegal? Like while I agree with her ideals, if she did something illegal than she can get arrested.

Was it so obviously illegal? It didn't look like it to me.

Did she pose an imminent danger to society if she remained free? Was she a flight risk?

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