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Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by seattle_spring »

fallingknife wrote: post #163
mjevans wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least in WA State there's not-reckless speeding, which is something like 1-14 mph over the posted limit (I argue it should be more like a _percent_ E.G. going 40 mph in a 25 is WAY worse than going 75 on a 60 mph freeway). Then there's 'reckless endangerment' tier which is +15 over the limit. The example of that guy going 100 in a 40 is beyond even that. It's SO far outside of the range of permissible I don't even…

The problem is that the speed limit itself has nothing to do with safety. To take your example of Seattle, there are 4 lane main roads with a 25 mph speed limit that in any other city would be 35 to 45. And everybody drives 40-45 on the anyway.

Those are the worst, because there's always a huge speed differential between the "law-abiders" who stay at 25, and the others who drive the speed the road was obviously designed for (40). Felt a lot safer when the limit on them was actually 40 and everyone was more or less going the same speed.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by freddie_mercury »

tzs wrote: post #154
ufmace wrote: post #50

The technical aspects of this seem concerning. I'm wondering exactly who has the authority to set a car to this mode and how the mechanism of doing so works. What happens if you sell the car or let somebody else borrow it? Or when you get another car, or rent one? What are the failure modes of it, like if the GPS glitches a little and decides you're on a feeder or surface road when you're actually on a freeway? I thi…

> What happens if you sell the car or let somebody else borrow it? This will put an onerous burden on people who borrow cars. If they intend to go more than 10 mph over the posted speed limit in the borrowed car they will need to make sure to only borrow cars from people who have not been convicted of speeding over 100 mph and forced to have an ISA installed.

Going the speed limit is an onerous burden?

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by robocat »

We need to discourage dangerous drivers.

I am hoping we get personal in-car police cameras. I see dangerous driving regularly, and yet there is no easy way to report drivers. Today a truck cut back in from a turning lane and cut off the car in front of me causing an emergency braking situation for everyone driving behind. Perhaps there could also be AI auto-detect of thoughtless driving that auto-sends a simple video to the driver showing their behavior? Trucks and buses really need cameras because people drive like lunatics around heavy vehicles (cutting off, insane overtaking, yadda yadda).

Speeding itself is definitely dangerous in many places, but often it seems too be enforced in places where it is against the rules but not actually dangerous (enforced to get money and infraction-count incentives). My guess is that we enforce speeding in part for correlation (those who ignore speed limits often ignore more sensible safety rules?)

Clearly speeding is correlated with dangerous drivers, but that doesn't mean that speeding is always dangerous per se.

Dangerous drivers are not caught often enough, and catching dangerous driving would be the best signal for detecting likely harmful behavior towards others.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by limitedfrom »

sien wrote: post #225

From the article : "Americans worried about their country’s sky-high rate of crash deaths haven’t had much to cheer lately. " This is untrue. America's motor vehicle fatality rate per billion vehicle miles has gone from 3.35 in 1980 to 1.27 in 2023. It's a dramatic reduction. In 1980 there were 51K fatalities in the US, in 2023 there were 40K. In 1980 there were 226M Americans, in 2020 there were 331M. https://en.wik…

Americans are driving more than ever and fatalities per capita has been steadily rising again since the 2010s per the Wikipedia provided data. The goal should be fewer deaths overall, not fewer deaths per VMT.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by cdchhs »

dheera wrote: post #240
allenrb wrote: post #224

Speed limiters built into cars. Anti-infringement technology built into general-purpose computers. And yet, guns and ammo freely available and unrestricted outside of automatic weapons and the like? Yeah. Can’t wait to move off-grid someday. (Yes, obviously American) I’ve got enough sense to keep it slow and safe in populated areas, yet occasionally open it up elsewhere when conditions are right. Guess that’s another…

I'm all for stronger enforcement of speed limits to save lives (e.g. ticket everyone over the speed limit with cameras automatically, no cops needed), but requiring shit to be installed into someone's car doesn't seem effective. They could just disconnect it.

Most modern cars phone home on lte/4g/5g. Police could auto-ticker speeders if they wanted to today. Probably don't want people to know how ubiquitous the tracking already is though.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by wat10000 »

cowsandmilk wrote: post #237
sien wrote: post #225

From the article : "Americans worried about their country’s sky-high rate of crash deaths haven’t had much to cheer lately. " This is untrue. America's motor vehicle fatality rate per billion vehicle miles has gone from 3.35 in 1980 to 1.27 in 2023. It's a dramatic reduction. In 1980 there were 51K fatalities in the US, in 2023 there were 40K. In 1980 there were 226M Americans, in 2020 there were 331M. https://en.wik…

Over the 15 years from 2008-2023, fatality rate per 100 million VMT has largely been stable, maybe increased some. I think that qualifies as not having recent wins.

The decades-long trend of increasing safety came to an end right as smartphones took off. I don’t think this is a coincidence.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by rkagerer »

ufmace wrote: post #50

The technical aspects of this seem concerning. I'm wondering exactly who has the authority to set a car to this mode and how the mechanism of doing so works. What happens if you sell the car or let somebody else borrow it? Or when you get another car, or rent one? What are the failure modes of it, like if the GPS glitches a little and decides you're on a feeder or surface road when you're actually on a freeway? I thi…

...like if the GPS glitches a little and decides you're on a feeder or surface road when you're actually on a freeway

I recall someone analyzing records from LexisNexis or similar (maybe in a news article or lawsuit?) and uncovering all kinds of instances where they were incorrectly labeled as speeding due to crossing a lower-limit road. Unfortunately I can't find the link.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by cdchhs »

Teever wrote: post #162
astura wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TFA says 75% of people with suspended licenses drive anyways.

Sounds like 75% of people with a suspended license need to spend some time out in jail where they can ponder their life choices.

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Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by atoav »

dheera wrote: post #240
allenrb wrote: post #224

Speed limiters built into cars. Anti-infringement technology built into general-purpose computers. And yet, guns and ammo freely available and unrestricted outside of automatic weapons and the like? Yeah. Can’t wait to move off-grid someday. (Yes, obviously American) I’ve got enough sense to keep it slow and safe in populated areas, yet occasionally open it up elsewhere when conditions are right. Guess that’s another…

I'm all for stronger enforcement of speed limits to save lives (e.g. ticket everyone over the speed limit with cameras automatically, no cops needed), but requiring shit to be installed into someone's car doesn't seem effective. They could just disconnect it.

As an Hardware designer I don't think that is the problem nowadays. Make it physically hard to remove and add a gps tracker to the unit and if it doesn't move for a few days, have them proove to you it wasn't tampered with. Then the only way to do it is to break the thing open and simulate trips that match yours all the time, which requires you to MITM the connection between the GPS and the microcontroller.

Aside from that cars phone bome anyways as ot is, so another way to crossreference data.

This can be as nontrivial as you want it. The problem is rather that a state shouldn't treat its citizens like that. That is probably why they start with repeat offenders.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by freddie_mercury »

sien wrote: post #225

From the article : "Americans worried about their country’s sky-high rate of crash deaths haven’t had much to cheer lately. " This is untrue. America's motor vehicle fatality rate per billion vehicle miles has gone from 3.35 in 1980 to 1.27 in 2023. It's a dramatic reduction. In 1980 there were 51K fatalities in the US, in 2023 there were 40K. In 1980 there were 226M Americans, in 2020 there were 331M. https://en.wik…

23 years ago is recent to you?
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